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Radial Engine said:
Any comparison? Pay, 401k, schedule, work environment? Upgrade?

Tks
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Check out www.airlinepilotcentral.com and look at the fractional tab. You will find a lot of info on both. A few key differentiators:

1. Netjets has a pilots union (positive or negative depending upon your viewpoint) and Flexjet does not

2. Netjets offers a 7 days on, 7 days off schedule to a percentage of pilots while Flexjet does not

3. Flexjet is owned by an aircraft manufacturer (Bombardier) and it therefore is limited in terms of what types of aircraft it will operate while Netjets operates aircraft from various manufactureres. I personally believe the Challenger 300 operated by Flexjet is one of the most capable and best looking aircraft out there - and many owners agree (very fast growing fleet).

4. Both offer newhire pilots a set number of domiciles - look at the above website for details.

I believe you could not go wrong with either choice. Good luck!
 
Consider upgrade time, also. AT NJ the conservative estimate is 3-5 yrs. I don't know about Flex. Good Luck with your decision--whatever you decide.
 
To add fuel to the fire, I had a couple of friends go to FJ and they did not like it and quit within 5 months. One went to Russia (A320 contract) the other to airtran. (these 2 guys out of 10 that I have talked to).

I have only talked to 1 guy that came to NJ that isnt happy. (this 1 out of probably 30 that I have talked to).

( these are all former Indy Air pilots).

I think Bailey can add more to this.
 
skiandsurf said:
To add fuel to the fire, I had a couple of friends go to FJ and they did not like it and quit within 5 months. One went to Russia (A320 contract) the other to airtran. (these 2 guys out of 10 that I have talked to).

I have only talked to 1 guy that came to NJ that isnt happy. (this 1 out of probably 30 that I have talked to).

( these are all former Indy Air pilots).

I think Bailey can add more to this.
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These two guys wouldn't have liked it at NJ either frac wasn't for them.
 
skiandsurf said:
To add fuel to the fire, I had a couple of friends go to FJ and they did not like it and quit within 5 months. One went to Russia (A320 contract) the other to airtran. (these 2 guys out of 10 that I have talked to).

I have only talked to 1 guy that came to NJ that isnt happy. (this 1 out of probably 30 that I have talked to).

( these are all former Indy Air pilots).

I think Bailey can add more to this.
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These 2 you were talking about both had airlines in their blood and where not happy unless they were flying for the airlines.
I came from Indy also and I have to say this is the best job I have ever had. I currently get more days off then when I was with the airlines. I get treated extremely well and when there is an issue I do have people I can call who will help me instead of blowing me off like the airlines. Pay is very livable and the bases are not bad either. I have flown to places I never even knew of and had it where I was in cold NYC then spent the night at an all inclusive club in Mexico.
Honestly I can say that Flex and NetJets are about the same the biggest difference is A) The Union B) Size ( Flex is tiny compared to Netjets and to me is more like family since I am getting to know everyone.)
So to answer that guys question, you cant go wrong with either one and being in the fractionals is the safest place to be right now compared to the airlines.

Bailey
 
Insurance

From what I have heard, medical insurance is free for employees and FAMILY and NJA whereas Flex is not. Is this true?
 
I came from Indy, now at Flex. I like it here and enjoy the smaller company atmosphere (schedulders and pilots actually get along, for the most part), plus I could argue that we have a better product than NJ... BUT, NJ does pay more, they have better work rules, and better benefits. Can't deny that. Upgrade time at Flex is a bit shorter than NJ, running at 2 years currently. I think you'd be fine going to either place.
 
be-400xpdriver said:
Keep dreaming and drinking that flex jet company koolaid.
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How would he know if he has only worked at Flexjet? He probably hasn't experienced NJA's customer service first hand. I know people at both NJA and Flexjet and they are equally as proud of their service. Certainly don't hear many FLOPS pilots praising their company like they used to...
 
Club ORD FO said:
so it is wrong to have pride in my company??? why would I work here if I didn't like the product?
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Have all the pride you want but how do you know what the NetJets service is like? In fact doesn't Flexjet have a negative churn rate and NetJets a positive one. Wouldn't that mean Flex is loosing owners?

Why do you work there. Same reason pilots work at Mesa. Because they pay you. And Indy went out of buisness.
 
be-400xpdriver said:
Why do you work there. Same reason pilots work at Mesa. Because they pay you. And Indy went out of buisness.
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ha...you obviously have no understanding of the history of the indy pilot group and what we did over the past 3 years... We said no to United and no to Mesa because we would not work for such a crappy company. And I would still say no.

And I'm not sure about the negative "churn" rate. I have not heard/seen that anywhere official.
 
be-400xpdriver said:
Have all the pride you want but how do you know what the NetJets service is like? In fact doesn't Flexjet have a negative churn rate and NetJets a positive one. Wouldn't that mean Flex is loosing owners?

Why do you work there. Same reason pilots work at Mesa. Because they pay you. And Indy went out of buisness.
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Negative churn rate? That's interesting. NO! If our churn rate is negative, why is our fleet growing? We have 9 more airplanes than we did this time last year. And something else, our net cum sold ratio is over 90%; NJ is 73%. What does that mean you ask? NJ has a "negative churn rate" AND has airplanes sitting on the tarmac not making money.

Our customer satisfaction is higher than any other fractional--that IS a fact.

Have fun flying your "beech-jet" and calling it a "hawker"...
 
I just want to say I enjoy working at Flex, I liked the Lear, love the Challenger. I think you would enjoy NJA as well. I would say try for both it would be a win win situation.
 
hammer2 said:
I just want to say I enjoy working at Flex, I liked the Lear, love the Challenger. I think you would enjoy NJA as well. I would say try for both it would be a win win situation.
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And were back on track. Hammer gives some good advice, heed it.
 
Both companies would be great for you to work at. We both do basicly the same thing. There are always a handful of Netjet geeks on here who like to shout that theirs is bigger than everyone elses. There are also Flexjet geeks on here that wouldn't be happy no matter where they were at. Filter through that nonsense and you might find your answer. Both companies are career places to work and both have a few differences. Which one you choose is a matter of what works best for you. I have flown with several pilots that would never have considered Netjets because they do not want to be gone for 7 days in a row. I also have talked to pilots that love 7/7. You can't go wrong at either place.
 
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be-400xpdriver said:
Have all the pride you want but how do you know what the NetJets service is like? In fact doesn't Flexjet have a negative churn rate and NetJets a positive one. Wouldn't that mean Flex is loosing owners?

Why do you work there. Same reason pilots work at Mesa. Because they pay you. And Indy went out of buisness.
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Sorry partner. The nja upgrade free for all is about to slow waaaaay down. Fact is, the CitationShares and Flexjet charter rate is 1/2 of what netjets is. Netjets owners have recently been rapidly fleeing to CitationShares and Flexjet because of the inferior product. Ultra/400xp? Versus the 40xr and cj3? Are you high? Santooli screwed the pooch on this one. Why doesn't nja operate the cj3? Santooli's huge shoulder chip that Cessna wouldn't exclusively sell nja the cj3 meant he had to bone up to the 400. Santooli begged bumardier to buy the 300. Nope. Strike 2. Fact is, Marquis is killing your operational performance and the fractional members are pissed all across the country. 400xp owners who fly 30-40% of their flights on the Ultra are pissed-claiming "bait and switch." "I bought a Hawker400 and fly on an aircraft without TCAS, which is unsafe according to NJAwife's hubby." WTF? As owners become more intelligent, they'll become more intelligent about netjets.
 
NJA did mess up when they got the Beechjet, but they don't care they can bleed millions and all it will take to fix it is a band aid
 
jonjuan said:
Sorry partner. The nja upgrade free for all is about to slow waaaaay down. Fact is, the CitationShares and Flexjet charter rate is 1/2 of what netjets is. Netjets owners have recently been rapidly fleeing to CitationShares and Flexjet because of the inferior product. Ultra/400xp? Versus the 40xr and cj3? Are you high? Santooli screwed the pooch on this one. Why doesn't nja operate the cj3? Santooli's huge shoulder chip that Cessna wouldn't exclusively sell nja the cj3 meant he had to bone up to the 400. Santooli begged bumardier to buy the 300. Nope. Strike 2. Fact is, Marquis is killing your operational performance and the fractional members are pissed all across the country. 400xp owners who fly 30-40% of their flights on the Ultra are pissed-claiming "bait and switch." "I bought a Hawker400 and fly on an aircraft without TCAS, which is unsafe according to NJAwife's hubby." WTF? As owners become more intelligent, they'll become more intelligent about netjets.
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NJA begged to buy the 300??? NOT!! While is it a good jet and I would love to get my hands on one, the fact remains that; You need a history lesson!!!! This didn't happen.

400 a POS, very true!! Everyone makes a mistake.

Maquis killing our operation, and owners are pissed. Not from what I have seen, owners are very happy. And Marquis has been reined in, so to speak. Get your facts straight then post.
 

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