Netjets or Flexjets?

[tk855]

I just want to say I enjoy working at Flex, I liked the Lear, love the Challenger. I think you would enjoy NJA as well. I would say try for both it would be a win win situation.

And were back on track. Hammer gives some good advice, heed it.

 

[notapilot]

Both companies would be great for you to work at. We both do basicly the same thing. There are always a handful of Netjet geeks on here who like to shout that theirs is bigger than everyone elses. There are also Flexjet geeks on here that wouldn't be happy no matter where they were at. Filter through that nonsense and you might find your answer. Both companies are career places to work and both have a few differences. Which one you choose is a matter of what works best for you. I have flown with several pilots that would never have considered Netjets because they do not want to be gone for 7 days in a row. I also have talked to pilots that love 7/7. You can't go wrong at either place.

 

[bailey3083]

Keep dreaming and drinking that flex jet company koolaid.

It is grape so it is so yummy!! OH YEAH! LOL

Bailey

 

[fly26]

our net cum sold

hahahaha Beavis......you said.........."cum"......hahahahaha

 

[cosmotheassman]

gotta love that huh?

 

[jonjuan]

Have all the pride you want but how do you know what the NetJets service is like? In fact doesn't Flexjet have a negative churn rate and NetJets a positive one. Wouldn't that mean Flex is loosing owners?

Why do you work there. Same reason pilots work at Mesa. Because they pay you. And Indy went out of buisness.

Sorry partner. The nja upgrade free for all is about to slow waaaaay down. Fact is, the CitationShares and Flexjet charter rate is 1/2 of what netjets is. Netjets owners have recently been rapidly fleeing to CitationShares and Flexjet because of the inferior product. Ultra/400xp? Versus the 40xr and cj3? Are you high? Santooli screwed the pooch on this one. Why doesn't nja operate the cj3? Santooli's huge shoulder chip that Cessna wouldn't exclusively sell nja the cj3 meant he had to bone up to the 400. Santooli begged bumardier to buy the 300. Nope. Strike 2. Fact is, Marquis is killing your operational performance and the fractional members are pissed all across the country. 400xp owners who fly 30-40% of their flights on the Ultra are pissed-claiming "bait and switch." "I bought a Hawker400 and fly on an aircraft without TCAS, which is unsafe according to NJAwife's hubby." WTF? As owners become more intelligent, they'll become more intelligent about netjets.

 

[Crack-Ed]

Whose ass did you pull all these facts from? You are killing me!

 

[stingray]

Someone is in la la land

 

[hammer2]

NJA did mess up when they got the Beechjet, but they don't care they can bleed millions and all it will take to fix it is a band aid

 

[RNObased]

Sorry partner. The nja upgrade free for all is about to slow waaaaay down. Fact is, the CitationShares and Flexjet charter rate is 1/2 of what netjets is. Netjets owners have recently been rapidly fleeing to CitationShares and Flexjet because of the inferior product. Ultra/400xp? Versus the 40xr and cj3? Are you high? Santooli screwed the pooch on this one. Why doesn't nja operate the cj3? Santooli's huge shoulder chip that Cessna wouldn't exclusively sell nja the cj3 meant he had to bone up to the 400. Santooli begged bumardier to buy the 300. Nope. Strike 2. Fact is, Marquis is killing your operational performance and the fractional members are pissed all across the country. 400xp owners who fly 30-40% of their flights on the Ultra are pissed-claiming "bait and switch." "I bought a Hawker400 and fly on an aircraft without TCAS, which is unsafe according to NJAwife's hubby." WTF? As owners become more intelligent, they'll become more intelligent about netjets.

NJA begged to buy the 300??? NOT!! While is it a good jet and I would love to get my hands on one, the fact remains that; You need a history lesson!!!! This didn't happen.

400 a POS, very true!! Everyone makes a mistake.

Maquis killing our operation, and owners are pissed. Not from what I have seen, owners are very happy. And Marquis has been reined in, so to speak. Get your facts straight then post.

 

[gunfyter]

Those 400XP owners are very happy when they ride on the Falcon.

 

[miles otoole]

NJA begged to buy the 300??? NOT!! While is it a good jet and I would love to get my hands on one, the fact remains that; You need a history lesson!!!! This didn't happen.

True about the 400 to Falcon free upgrade. Sure the bean counters love it.

 

[Freight Jock]

Have all the pride you want but how do you know what the NetJets service is like? In fact doesn't Flexjet have a negative churn rate and NetJets a positive one. Wouldn't that mean Flex is loosing owners?

Why do you work there. Same reason pilots work at Mesa. Because they pay you. And Indy went out of buisness.

Flex picked up 18 new owners as of the end of the second quarter. This is public information that you can find on Bombardier's website. Before you accuse FJ for having a negative churn rate, you should read up. Bombardier is a great place to be. I worked for the company previously in a non-flying capacity. I left the company to build flight time and now I'm back. I here NetJets is great too. Too each, his own.

 

[haulingthemail]

Are you typed at Flexjet when you go through inital class?

 

[CL300Pilot]

Yes....

Are you typed at Flexjet when you go through inital class?

All pilots are typed in their aircraft that they are assigned to. They also do not do the SIC type. It is a PIC type. I agree with what everyone else is saying. Flex is a great company to work for, and I am sure that Netjets is too. You just have to decide which company best suits what you want. You see plenty here and you could go to www.hoovers.com and do a search on both companies to check on their financial status as well. I don't believe you can go wrong at either company. Netjets will most likely always be the biggest fractional provider out there, unless something really crazy happens. Good luck in your pursuit and hope to see you at Flex.

 

[haulingthemail]

I'd like to go to FlexJet, since I live in DFW already. I just can't seem to get that much needed interview.

So I guess it'll be how ever calls first, Net or Flex.

 

[NJA Capt]

Before you accuse FJ for having a negative churn rate, you should read up.

I know its old but its the first one I searched...

Aviation Week & Space Technology
10/06/2003, page 63

Bombardier Inc.'s Flexjet lost 1.74 shareholders for every one it gained in the first eight months of the year. Raytheon Aircraft's Flight Options is doing only slightly better, with a churn rate of 0.85, which means it is losing nearly one shareholder for every one that it gains. NetJets, the 800-lb. gorilla among fractional ownership providers, has the highest retention rate, with a below-average churn rate of 0.40

 

[FraxJockey]

"churn" rate

I know its old but its the first one I searched...

Aviation Week & Space Technology
10/06/2003, page 63

Bombardier Inc.'s Flexjet lost 1.74 shareholders for every one it gained in the first eight months of the year. Raytheon Aircraft's Flight Options is doing only slightly better, with a churn rate of 0.85, which means it is losing nearly one shareholder for every one that it gains. NetJets, the 800-lb. gorilla among fractional ownership providers, has the highest retention rate, with a below-average churn rate of 0.40

Problem with the churn rate is that we have a lot of owners upgrade to a different aircraft ie. LR60 to CL300. Furthermore, since Flex is a marketing tool, many of the owners we lose are actually buying whole aircrat. None of these things are really taken into account in the "Churn" rate. I like it here and like many others say, there are pluses and minuses to both. Plus since you found a stat dated '03 this really doesn't take into account our very sudden growth due to the Challenger 300.

Frax

 

[gunfyter]

Stuff like this depends on decisions made by Managements not pilots. Why are we fighting about it?

 

[CA1900]

Wow, a comparison between two companies degenerates into a pissing contest on Flightinfo. Who could have predicted it? uke: