XOJet Update

[flyzimex]

401k match at XO

Like many others here I am too waiting to hear from XOJET.

Can someone in the knows please enlighten us when it comes to the 401k at XOJET. Do they match, and if so, by how much?

/FlyZimex

 

[t-bone]

So, if you have passengers waiting in the lobby, and you haven't eaten for say 8 hours, you're going to tell them, "I'm getting a crew car and going to a nice restaurant for lunch. Just wait here an hour or so, and we'll get back to you."

Come on capthuff, you're living in fantasy land. Come back to reality and let us know what it's like when you get there.

Are you really that stubborn? And you fly airplanes? God help us!!!

Please re-read my post , particularly the part where I said "if we don't have time, then we order food from a caterer...no problem."

You may find it works better for you to think before speaking.

 

[Ultra Grump]

You may find it works better for you to think before speaking.

You may find it works better for you to read before responding. Doyle wasn't talking to you at all. He was responding to Capthuff. Remember - read first, then respond.

 

[t-bone]

You may find it works better for you to read before responding. Doyle wasn't talking to you at all. He was responding to Capthuff. Remember - read first, then respond.

Mr. Gump,

If you'll notice post #16 of this very thread, made by myself, and then post #22, Doyle's response to my original post, you may find the origin of all subsequent posts regarding our meal policy and Doyle's struggles to understand said policy.

Maybe it should be: read first, think, don't forget what you've already read minutes/hours/days/months earlier, think some more, and then respond.

Next time I will be more specific when referring to something I said. Thank you for participating.

 

[Capthuff]

Doyle,

Perhaps you missed my little hint of sarcasm. I dont think going to a sit down restaurant would be the prudent thing to do.

But, if I havent eaten in 8 hours and there is no catering waiting for me at the FBO, and the PAX are already there, then YES I'm going to get some food.
Chances are there are three reasons why I would be in that situation.
1) Dispatch screwed up the times and got us there late.
2) Charter sales/owner services screwed up and the pax showed early.
3) the original plane broke and this is a recovery trip.

Now I realize that we, as pilots, are the front line ambassadors for the companies we work for. Exceptional customer service is demanded in our profession. It is our calling to make up for all the mistakes that happen in the lines of communication at our respective companies.

In any case I dont see where the rush is.
If I'm hungry I need food.
I read somewhere that flying hungry is similiar to flying fatigued. It messes with your ADM. I cant imagine that is would be as severe as fatigue, but I am not surprised it would affect you in some adverse way.
Of course I probably read that on an internet message board - and you know how reliable they can be...

FWIW I have showed at an FBO with pax there, said "Hi, I'll be right back" Then went to the FBO dask, got the crew car and got something to eat. And that was with my boss and his whole family sitting at the FBO waiting for me.

BTW my job is almost a fantasy when I look at the crap fractional pilots have to deal with. You guys work your a$$e$ off every day of your tour.

And now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

 

[skiandsurf]

Doyle,

BTW my job is almost a fantasy when I look at the crap fractional pilots have to deal with. You guys work your a$$e$ off every day of your tour.

For the month of Jan, I flew 44 hours. I had 1 six day tour, and 2 four day tours. Based at LAX, and never went east of OMA. One of my short tours, day 1 was a 5pm checkin and go straight to hotel. 5 flights total (3 pax flts, 2 repos). Last day was an airline home, done by 130pm.

Last trip, 3 flights (1 pax, 2 repos). Airline home, done by 3pm.

And this is on the X and NJs.

 

[t-bone]

But, if I havent eaten in 8 hours and there is no catering waiting for me at the FBO, and the PAX are already there, then YES I'm going to get some food.

OK, well this is where Huff and I differ...this would not fly at XOJet. Under no circumstances would we make our passengers wait while the crew left to get food. If a crew ever did that, they probably wouldn't be around much longer. We have plenty of snacks on board, we'll just have to make do eating all of our chips and cookies and other junk to get us through the next leg.

But this is one of those scenarios where it'd be perfectly legit for the crew to get some crew meals ordered through the local caterer.

It may happen once in a blue moon, but it certainly is not the norm.

 

[cherry20's]

I'm not sure who Capthuff works for, but the owners must be very understanding! I don't think I would ever tell the owners or passengers to wait while I go get some food. I'm flying freight right now so I know how to bring snacks and food to get me through the day. No one sets up food for us and I don't even tell the freight to wait on me! haha. But really, I'm with t-bone on this one 100%.You should get fired for doing something like that.

 

[learflyer]

bring clif bars around with you. whenever i have a long day, and the crew meals didn't make it, or the hotel has no restaraunts near by, they are a life saver. www.clifbars.com

 

[Capthuff]

Perhaps I am misunderstanding something here.

I believe no NetJet pilot will ever go 8 hours with no food because they will order you crew meals right?

How about XO-Jet? am I to believe that dispatch wont order you food even if you have a tight turn? I hope I'm wrong.

Again, read my previous post. there are really only three reasons why the pax would be there when you arrive anyway. Perhaps there are more???

Really though... how many of you have gone 8 hours or more with out food? It should never happen. The only time it happened to me (that I can remember) was because of a weather delay/pax delay that ended up causing us to be late dropping off one boss and in turn late to pick up the other boss. It just so happened that our flight phone was inop, so when I landed, we got food. And the boss was fine with it.
(yes, I do have very understanding bosses)

I guess I do work for a fractional though... two bosses one plane...

You guys probably think I'm crazy (I'm not) and that I think you are crazy (I dont)...

Fractional pilots are some of the hardest working pilots in the industry. The demands put on you by the company are high. I am very fortunate to be in my current position. But I was not always here. I have worked hard for a crappy 135 outfit - long days and short nights. But, even then, if I had back to back to back trips, you order crew food.

I like the model of XO-Jet and I wish them the best.

I like the clout of the NJ pilot group and what they are doing for the industry as a whole.

CS, Flex, Alpha, and Adventair (and the others) are all providing a needed service to current and future owners. That is good for all of us and the ones who follow us.

 

[Capthuff]

SKi and Surf? Are you with NJ? I have heard the X was a brutal ride, like the worst in the whole system. Was that a typical tour?

 

[X-rated]

Perhaps I am misunderstanding something here.

I believe no NetJet pilot will ever go 8 hours with no food because they will order you crew meals right?

How about XO-Jet? am I to believe that dispatch wont order you food even if you have a tight turn? I hope I'm wrong.

I thought Doyle was the only one not getting it. All T-Bone was saying in his original post was that if we prefer, we can go anyplace we like and get good food to bring along instead of catering, and the company will pay for it. For those who want to order catering knock yourself out! There are no special crew menus for catering. You can order anything you wish. Just let flight services know what you want, and it will magically appear. Anytime... Any trip... no questions asked.

All of our planes have microwave ovens, so T-Bones PF Changes idea is a winner. Thanks T!

 

[Capthuff]

mmmmm... PF Changs... yummy

cool. I thought I remembered reading that somewhere in this thread, but it is getting so long and I didnt feel like re-reading it all.

 

[skiandsurf]

SKi and Surf? Are you with NJ? I have heard the X was a brutal ride, like the worst in the whole system. Was that a typical tour?

Yes, NJs.

And there is no such thing as typical, when talking about NJs.

 

[X-Wind]

Hey,

Any Info on the stock options or a matching 401k?



Great thread! Thanks to all the contributors!

 

[duc driver]

anyone hear anything?

 

[stratman560]

anyone hear anything?

Nothing yet. Submitted my stuff in December. I feel like a neurotic prom date. Why haven't they called me yet?

Just Kidding

Hoping I hear something before May but who knows, I have no internal recs.

Strat

 

[duc driver]

i know. whats it take to get a call from these guys.

 

[doylehargraves]

I didn't misunderstand here. All I'm saying is the company puts the burden on YOU to get food. That is a pain in my opinion. I don't want to have to worry about ordering food everyday; I have enough going on during the day that I don't want to have to worry about the F/O wanting mexican when I want chinese and then having to direct that information to dispatch.

Just send me some food every 6 hours and I'm good. P.S. good luck.

 

[X-rated]

I didn't misunderstand here. All I'm saying is the company puts the burden on YOU to get food. That is a pain in my opinion. I don't want to have to worry about ordering food everyday; I have enough going on during the day that I don't want to have to worry about the F/O wanting mexican when I want chinese and then having to direct that information to dispatch.

Just send me some food every 6 hours and I'm good. P.S. good luck.

Burden? Are you serious? If deciding what you would like to eat on any given day is just too much for you to handle, maybe this flying thing isn't for you.

I believe most people would prefer a choice, but if there is anyone out there who shares your opinion, arrangements can easily be made to ensure your boring, tired, old, turkey sandwich shows up each and every day with no input from you. I'm pretty sure you're just trying to be difficult, but I could be wrong. If so, please forgive me, and do yourself a favor. Try something new once in a while!

 

[fam62c]

This thread has been quiet lately. I'm just wondering if anybody knows what competitive qualifications are for XOJet. Is there any chance of being interviewed from just submitting an application or do you have to know someone? Is there a training contract for XOJ and if so do they type you during initial training?

Thanks

 

[cherry20's]

I think you have to have an internal rec to get a call right now. Read that on APC. No training contracts and they do type you after INDOC at Flight Safety in TOL.

It has been really quite here?

 

[fam62c]

I think you have to have an internal rec to get a call right now. Read that on APC. No training contracts and they do type you after INDOC at Flight Safety in TOL.

It has been really quite here?

Thanks;

I don't know anybody there so I guess that's that.

 

[skiandsurf]

Thanks;

I don't know anybody there so I guess that's that.

FWIW, I talked to a guy that interviewed there recently. Said it all went good, and was offered a job. But he turned the job offer down. He wasnt too convinced of their business plan.

(he has a good job now, and was only going to go if he felt good about it. Apparently, he wasnt to convinced).

 

[t-bone]

1500 apps on file. Interviews are being held about every other week, 5-6 per session. Most everyone getting called has an internal recommendation. Look for us out on the road, at recurrent training, anywhere. Good luck.

And good luck to the guy that turned down the job offer. If he didn't leave with a good feeling, then he did what was right for him and his.

2 deliveries in March, with 10 total for the rest of the year (ce750s). We've started the first steps of building the 300 training program, still expecting the first to show up in September. No significant changes otherwise.

 

[flyzimex]

1500 apps on file.

Am I correct to assume that all of those "on file" meet application mins?

FZ

 

[blzr]

Anyone have a website for XOJET?

 

[cherry20's]

Did you try www.XOJET.com? Sounds easy enough doesn't it.

 

[learflyer]

Anyone have a website for XOJET?

Google Is Your Friend

All Smart People Use Google

It Appears That You Are Not One Of Them

Someone thinks you are an idiot because you were too stupid to check Google before asking a question. They gave you a link to this site as a joke. The fact that you followed it pretty much proves the point.
Hope that helps.
Have a nice day.

 

[doylehargraves]

OK, this is what I've heard. Taking delivery of 11 X's this year, and 3-5 300s start showing up in September. So 14-16 airplanes x 4.7 pilots/plane = 65.8-75.2 pilots. Throw in vacation days that will need to be covered starting in November when our vacation policy goes into effect, and that'll easily bring the demand up closer to 100.

The plan is to triple our fleet from its current size of 17 airplanes to 51 airplanes within the next 24 months. Then double it again to 104 within the following 24 months.

As for being gone from home a lot, that all depends on where you live. If you live near one of our MX bases (MCC, VNY, ILG) you'll get home during your tours. I live near one, got home last night, spent all day today sitting on my couch watching football, and head out tomorrow morning on my next trip. Tuesday is the transition, so I only need to pack for a few days!

If you choose not to move, then you should plan on being gone for the entire tour. It's your decision.

Hope that answers some of your questions.

T

Yo T-Bone,

You had 17 planes in January. How many you guys have now? Are you still going to have over 50 by end of next year?