Would you take the plane?

[CX880]

Just to add a twist to this situation, what if there was only an NDB approach available, and the weather was at the NDB minimums?

Most RJ operators don't do NDB approaches because chances are if the airport only had an NDB approach, it's somewhere where an RJ is not economical or at a city where there are about 115 people. Problem solved, not than an NDB app is a big deal unless it's in a valley or mountain area.

 

[embpic1]

I agree that turning off the AP/FD occasionally is good to keep the scan up. When I flew the emb120 for the commuters I never used the autopilot for an approach and would turn off the FD most of the time as long as the wx wasn't on its a$$. It made the job less monotonous for me.

I remember an FO that watched me hand fly an approach (no FD) and asked if he could do the same on his leg. I said sure and told him i thought it was a good idea for everyone to do it at least a few times a month. On the approach into DEN he was all over the place. I asked him nicely to turn the FD back on. He was shocked and pissed at himself that he was having trouble. It is truly amazing how quickly our scan can go to crap. If your SOP will let you, turn off the magic from time to time to keep your scan up.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Most RJ operators don't do NDB approaches because chances are if the airport only had an NDB approach, it's somewhere where an RJ is not economical or at a city where there are about 115 people. Problem solved, not than an NDB app is a big deal unless it's in a valley or mountain area.

Check out the ILS 16 into KAVL when the tower is closed. ASA does this all the time.

 

[Lynxman]

I fail to see the difficulty in that approach.

 

[imacdog]

Check out the ILS 16 into KAVL when the tower is closed. ASA does this all the time.

Kinda looks like just another ILS to me.

 

[Lynxman]

Bro we are talking about a female pilot here lol.

 

[nightfr8er]

The question is are YOU the Captain? If not, then you only have two options:

1. Refuse to go. See your chief pilot. Hope he takes your side.
2. Go. Worst case scenario, you divert. Is the weather above the minimums at your destination? If so, then I assume your issue is no autopilot? Why does having no autopilot scare you? You flew airplanes for years with no autopilot... didn't you?

Most of them out there these days surely didn't. They think that "paying their dues" means flight intstructing for 2 months, and being and FO for two years. And 90% of the ones that I've seen couldn't fly a whole leg, let alone an approach, to near-minimums with no autopilot or FD.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

I fail to see the difficulty in that approach.

It goes like this: 30 miles out, "cleared direct Broad River, Cleared ILS 16, radar service terminated, report down time on Atlanta Center freuency XXX".

This was response to CX 880 saying no one ever uses NDBs in real life.

Lynxman, go ahead and expand on your thought... so female pilots are inferior? Really?

 

[CX880]

Box Office you're a creep. Read what I wrote.

 

[Lynxman]

Lynxman, go ahead and expand on your thought... so female pilots are inferior? Really?

Probably because your brain is a 1/3 the size of a male according to the government scientist Dr Yamuka he has proved it.

 

[SLUF4]

We aren't even allowed to fly raw data on RNAV departures-why do you think that is? It's because the workload is too high and people flying raw data were screwing it up. All I'm saying is that in some instances it would be a good idea to reject the plane. Which airplane would you say is more safe-the one with the AP/FD or the one without?

 

[bgaviator]

You're capt of CRJ200. Weather at destination is showing 200 ft ceilings and 1 1/2 mile vis. X-wind of 10 knts gusting to 15. Autopilot and flight director deferred. 380 nm flight. ILS fully operational on all runways. Would you take the airplane?

Being a dispatcher, that seems like some piss poor planning on the part of whoever routes the lines.....but unfortunately I have seen it happen some cases.

 

[sayrejm]

It goes like this: 30 miles out, "cleared direct Broad River, Cleared ILS 16, radar service terminated, report down time on Atlanta Center freuency XXX".

This was response to CX 880 saying no one ever uses NDBs in real life.

Lynxman, go ahead and expand on your thought... so female pilots are inferior? Really?

He didn't say no one uses the NDB, he said no one does an NDB approach. Also, we do that in FMS white needles anyway.

 

[CA1900]

Which airplane would you say is more safe-the one with the AP/FD or the one without?

Why even have an MEL, then?

 

[Kaman]

What's the problem? Can the AP/FD be deferred? If the answer is yes...my answer is..."board em' up and let's go". That kind of weather is not unusual in the Northeast, and 380 miles sounds like a 90 minute block in a CRJ...In fact, I'd have the FO fly the leg so I could monitor more effectively.