Would you take the plane?

[pilotyip]

Back in the 60's flying world wide, I didn't know what those things were and I was flying approaches to 100' and 1/4 mile on raw data, with no ILS, why would I take take that airplane today? BTW However if a person is not confident in their ability to fly raw data, then they should not take the trip.

 

[Abernathy]

be what's legal is not always safe, right. If you're not comfortable with it don't take that plane.

You haven't met our chief pilots, have you.


It's a real good ol' boy club here.

 

[CX880]

The company does not want to spend money training people to hand fly raw data.

So? That's a skill you should have learned already as a student pilot.

 

[Kaman]

So? That's a skill you should have learned already as a student pilot.

Good point, but a lot of those 300-500 hour wonders that the regionals all a hired a few years ago are the 3000 hour Captains now. And, no doubt skilled and qualifed, however, only to a certain point.

 

[IBNAV8R]

be what's legal is not always safe, right. If you're not comfortable with it don't take that plane.

I concur 100% with your statement.

"A man's GOT to know his limitations."

The point is that a PROFICIENT professional pilot, lacking extenuating circumstances, should NOT be uncomfortable about making such a flight. This takes self initiative and practice.

 

[skyhooky]

Who the he!! are you? I would not board your airplane under perfect conditions. Please post your schedule and post it regularly.

 

[urflyingme?!]

You guys are retards.

The question is, IS IT LEGAL.

Answer is NO.

Sure, we can all fly an ILS. GREAT!

 

[pilotyip]

You guys are retards.

The question is, IS IT LEGAL.

Answer is NO.

Sure, we can all fly an ILS. GREAT!

is that becasue it is not allowed by the MEL? It is certainly not illegal in other aircraft.

 

[Abernathy]

is that becasue it is not allowed by the MEL? It is certainly not illegal in other aircraft.

Yip, it's an OpsSpec thing. Most of us are perfectly capable of flying raw data. I and many guys I fly with (cept the old guys) handfly raw data most visuals and many departures at the outstations, however most of us do not handfly raw data approaches in actual conditions because (and I agree with this philosophy) it's a workload intense exercise that most of us rarely do, even in the sim, so you get rusty. If the OpsSpecs allowed us to fly raw data handflown under hard IFR conditions, they'd include it in our training every year.

 

[pilotyip]

Yip, it's an OpsSpec thing. Most of us are perfectly capable of flying raw data. I and many guys I fly with (cept the old guys) handfly raw data most visuals and many departures at the outstations, however most of us do not handfly raw data approaches in actual conditions because (and I agree with this philosophy) it's a workload intense exercise that most of us rarely do, even in the sim, so you get rusty. If the OpsSpecs allowed us to fly raw data handflown under hard IFR conditions, they'd include it in our training every year.

thanks, flying old steam dial stuff, I was unaware there are ops specs that require automation in order to fly IFR approaches. What number is it?

 

[ackattacker]

You guys are retards.

The question is, IS IT LEGAL.

Answer is NO.

Sure, we can all fly an ILS. GREAT!

Excuse me, if it's not legal for you, fine. However not every airline has the same policies and opspecs. You're making a lot of ASSumptions. This isn't the ASA board (or whoever you work for), it's the regional board.

I think the original poster's question implies the flight is legal.

 

[FO 4 Life]

I've seen it done in the sim, 0/0. The guy flying was a 20,000 hour AA Capt and when we turned the vis back up on the sim we were right on centerline. We even had a 10 kt crosswind dialed up. He was just showing off, obviously.

Wow...the sim. Did he have fun kissing his sister too?

I think a majority of us have done it in the sim to prove it can be done if you are out of options. Like to see someone do it for real.
BTW, how was the rollout, flare, etc? Oh wait, I bet the sim got pos Reese on touchdown. Tough stuff.

 

[ackattacker]

Wow...the sim. Did he have fun kissing his sister too?

I think a majority of us have done it in the sim to prove it can be done if you are out of options. Like to see someone do it for real.
BTW, how was the rollout, flare, etc? Oh wait, I bet the sim got pos Reese on touchdown. Tough stuff.

I wouldn't, because it would be dangerous and illegal. Do you have a point?

 

[buscap]

It is legal.

The approaches are not the issue, even at company mins.

It's just a matter of whether or not you feel like risking your papers for the company over some BS cruise altitude bust.

 

[Flybywire44]

You're capt of CRJ200. Weather at destination is showing 200 ft ceilings and 1 1/2 mile vis. X-wind of 10 knts gusting to 15. Autopilot and flight director deferred. 380 nm flight. ILS fully operational on all runways. Would you take the airplane?

You really needed to ask this question?

Let the FO shoot it, its your job to train the next generation whether the FO is "experienced" or in your opinion not. Its not like he/she's a 250 hour wonder. New hiring mins are in place now!


Man up and monitor!

 

[FO 4 Life]

I wouldn't, because it would be dangerous and illegal. Do you have a point?

Just pointing out the idiocy of saying you've seen someone do it in the sim.

 

[LearLove]

Back in the 60's flying world wide, I didn't know what those things were and I was flying approaches to 100' and 1/4 mile on raw data, with no ILS,

I'll take a PAR anyday. Hell that should be the onlt approach there in existance in my opinion.

 

[jetRAT]

Stop Whining and do some of that pilot sh*t. Take it.

 

[IBNAV8R]

I'll take a PAR anyday. Hell that should be the onlt approach there in existance in my opinion.

Been there. Done the PAR/GCA approaches down to 100 & 1/4. Now, oddly enough they are NOT allowed by my company's op specs. Go figure.

 

[RJLoser]

Some serious over compensating going on here.