Would SKYW inc trade ASA PBS and dumping ALPA for 1 list?

[sweptback]

And finally, as stated numerous times above, we are currently being held as a sellable asset. If skywest sells us, I believe we will lose the greatest opportunity that ASA has had in recent history.

I don't understand your logic. On one hand you say that ASA is being held separately so that we can be sold as necessary, on the other hand you want to merge with SKYW and become one big happy family. I just don't see you changing Jerry's mind, union or no. If he wants to keep us separate, it will happen, no matter what the representational state of the ASA pilots are.

To me, it was very telling that SkyWest, Inc. chose to keep up separate once they purchased us. That told me that merging the two carriers was not an option, since it would be the easiest to merge at that time. Now that SkyWest has invested a lot of money and talent in ASA it just reinforces my belief that they continue to want to keep us apart.

And one more thing, with United circling the drain, do you really think right now is a good time to be on the same list as SkyWest? Most of their flying is for United... for better or worse ASA can not furlough any more.

 

[SNAFU_AIR]

You know a little about PBS...... Well I guess we'll all have to take your word for it then. That is a convincing statement. Thanks for backing it up by answering my questions.

We can not be FORCED to take PBS. Your OPINION is that we will have it.

Your OPINION is that being sold would be bad for us. Only time will tell, but for now we are safe, because no one is in a position to buy us.

Maintaining our QOL "directly results" them coming back? Our QOL has zero to do with furloughees coming back. Staffing is all about block hours. We serve one customer right now...DELTA. They already have too many regional carriers, so there are too many mouths at the table, not to mention the RECESSION. Skywest serves multiple carriers, and is holding their staffing at an inflated level because Jerry is expecting some additional opportunities to open up for them. Faulty premise for your arguement, AGAIN.

"Our PBS system will be much better that we should not want one list"? You struggle with comprehensive reading sir. My posting indicated that we would have more control over our system than they would, because we were able to control its implementation IF we take it.

As far as one list with mainline and Comair, I was not here then, but if I remember correctly it was proposed and shot down. My point was the unforseen benefit of being excluded from one list during this most recent bankruptcy as opposed to what our fate would have been had we still been owned by delta, or had one list. Not apples to oranges, cause and effect.

I have no problem with anyone questioning ALPA. You are not questioning ALPA. You are taking potshots from dark corners. Like I said before, go ask your reps these questions. Do you think they are going to answer them on here? Do you really want an answer, or do you want to fatasize over a pipe dream.

"I would be willing to give up ALPA to gain the security that I believe will come with being part of SKYW".....lmmfao...then quit. What keeps you here? the money? the work rules? An ATL base? You could have all of that over there. There is a difference between questioning the union, and wanting to throw it off property for personal gain.

You sir, have no facts to back up your statements. You are unwilling to go get the answers you seek from those who have them. You are willing to throw a union off property because you think you will fare better by giving into what Skywest management wants you to do, AND YOU THINK THAT THEY WILL GIVE YOU THE SAME BENEFITS THAT ALPA HAD TO FIGHT THEM FOR????? And I'm the ignorant one?

I pity you. You are a CLOSET SCAB who doesn't have the courage to follow his heart. Do they really let you fly airplanes?

 

[USCtrojan]

You know a little about PBS...... Well I guess we'll all have to take your word for it then. That is a convincing statement. Thanks for backing it up by answering my questions.

We can not be FORCED to take PBS. Your OPINION is that we will have it.

Your OPINION is that being sold would be bad for us. Only time will tell, but for now we are safe, because no one is in a position to buy us.

Maintaining our QOL "directly results" them coming back? Our QOL has zero to do with furloughees coming back. Staffing is all about block hours. We serve one customer right now...DELTA. They already have too many regional carriers, so there are too many mouths at the table, not to mention the RECESSION. Skywest serves multiple carriers, and is holding their staffing at an inflated level because Jerry is expecting some additional opportunities to open up for them. Faulty premise for your arguement, AGAIN.

"Our PBS system will be much better that we should not want one list"? You struggle with comprehensive reading sir. My posting indicated that we would have more control over our system than they would, because we were able to control its implementation IF we take it.

As far as one list with mainline and Comair, I was not here then, but if I remember correctly it was proposed and shot down. My point was the unforseen benefit of being excluded from one list during this most recent bankruptcy as opposed to what our fate would have been had we still been owned by delta, or had one list. Not apples to oranges, cause and effect.

I have no problem with anyone questioning ALPA. You are not questioning ALPA. You are taking potshots from dark corners. Like I said before, go ask your reps these questions. Do you think they are going to answer them on here? Do you really want an answer, or do you want to fatasize over a pipe dream.

"I would be willing to give up ALPA to gain the security that I believe will come with being part of SKYW".....lmmfao...then quit. What keeps you here? the money? the work rules? An ATL base? You could have all of that over there. There is a difference between questioning the union, and wanting to throw it off property for personal gain.

You sir, have no facts to back up your statements. You are unwilling to go get the answers you seek from those who have them. You are willing to throw a union off property because you think you will fare better by giving into what Skywest management wants you to do, AND YOU THINK THAT THEY WILL GIVE YOU THE SAME BENEFITS THAT ALPA HAD TO FIGHT THEM FOR????? And I'm the ignorant one?

I pity you. You are a CLOSET SCAB who doesn't have the courage to follow his heart. Do they really let you fly airplanes?

What are you doing? What, are you the closet ALPA NAZI here? You come out of the closet (6 posts total) to disagree with an individual who has exactly as much voting power as you and DARE CALL HIM A SCAB? He is your "Union brother". You sir, are an embarrasment to this profession with your 6 total posts. What are you, the alpa gestapo?

Fish, while I disagree with your posts here, thank you for having an intelligable thoughtful discussion. Holy moly.

Trojan

 

[SNAFU_AIR]

No brother of mine would vote to sell the rest of us out. Just calling a spade a spade.

 

[USCtrojan]

No brother of mine would vote to sell the rest of us out. Just calling a spade a spade.

Well, you're an idiot. Same logic. You're proving everyone else's point that you're not allowed to disagree with the "Union stance." Good job. I'm done with you.

Trojan

 

[SNAFU_AIR]

Lmao, you fellas are a little slow on the uptake. Questioning the union is one thing. Recalling, or voting for another candidate with a different philosophy is ok too. Advocating decertification, and trashing years of effort for a respectable collective bargaining agreement for personal gain because "you feel good about a company", or its intentions, is selling out on your fellow brothers/sisters. Trojan you use the term "union brother" as though you understand what it means. Clearly you do not.

 

[screamingpax]

... with your 6 total posts. \

Trojan

First of all, six total posts isn't necessarily a bad thing. It means, maybe he has a wife at home to screw and productive things to do around the house other than argue about useless stuff on FI.

Second...Where do I sign? I don't want the PBS but if not getting it means maintaining separate lists, we will continue to be the red-headed stepchild and see little to no growth until Skywest is positioned where it wants to be. JA doesn't give a crap about ALPA and there is nothing they can do about it, although they will tell you there is. I want to see ASA grow but it is a changing climate in this industry and if we continue to be stubborn about everything instead of looking at long term planning, we will be left in the dust.

Even though Skywest isn't treated as well as Southwest, the pilots over there do think that what they have is better than ALPA. And they thought that since long BEFORE the purchase of ASA. Maybe it is worth looking into. Its not Ornstein, is JA. Give me my 2% back, a SKYW contract, and I think ASA pilots will continue to have jobs and be one of the leaders in the regional industry.

Also...For those of you who think it is a bad idea to combine lists with United on the verge of taking a crap. SKYW owns the ASA Delta flying and will do with it whatever is necessary to protect their people first. If they lose United flying, we will lose Delta flying. Just my opinion. Best of luck to all.

 

[USCtrojan]

First of all, six total posts isn't necessarily a bad thing. It means, maybe he has a wife at home to screw and productive things to do around the house other than argue about useless stuff on FI.

Second...Where do I sign? I don't want the PBS but if not getting it means maintaining separate lists, we will continue to be the red-headed stepchild and see little to no growth until Skywest is positioned where it wants to be. JA doesn't give a crap about ALPA and there is nothing they can do about it, although they will tell you there is. I want to see ASA grow but it is a changing climate in this industry and if we continue to be stubborn about everything instead of looking at long term planning, we will be left in the dust.

Even though Skywest isn't treated as well as Southwest, the pilots over there do think that what they have is better than ALPA. And they thought that since long BEFORE the purchase of ASA. Maybe it is worth looking into. Its not Ornstein, is JA. Give me my 2% back, a SKYW contract, and I think ASA pilots will continue to have jobs and be one of the leaders in the regional industry.

Also...For those of you who think it is a bad idea to combine lists with United on the verge of taking a crap. SKYW owns the ASA Delta flying and will do with it whatever is necessary to protect their people first. If they lose United flying, we will lose Delta flying. Just my opinion. Best of luck to all.

Somebody who has 6 posts and just about all of them are resorting to a lead up of a smear campaign, does not lead me to believe one has a life. More like, "LOSER with an agenda." You have a vote, and right to express that vote and opinion. As far as OO taking our flying, they cannot. Read your contract. They can take a little, but not much. That is enforceable.

Anyone else want to tote the line of "Union Brotherhood" while calling a fellow colleague A SCAB? That's full hypocrisy. I'm finding quite a bit of that as of late and it's quite embarrassing.

Trojan

 

[screamingpax]

Somebody who has 6 posts and just about all of them are resorting to a lead up of a smear campaign, does not lead me to believe one has a life. More like, "LOSER with an agenda." You have a vote, and right to express that vote and opinion. As far as OO taking our flying, they cannot. Read your contract. They can take a little, but not much. That is enforceable.

Anyone else want to tote the line of "Union Brotherhood" while calling a fellow colleague A SCAB? That's full hypocrisy. I'm finding quite a bit of that as of late and it's quite embarrassing.

Trojan

Enforcable by whom?? ALPA?? That's like me getting in a fight with my reflection in the mirror. Nothing will happen except for me hurting myself. SKYW isn't going to let ASA get bigger than them. They will have snakey lawyers find a way. But lets face it anyway. United won't collapse, politicians won't let them. If giving up somethings (ALPA, line bidding, etc) means a more promising future for those of us at ASA its probably an option worth looking at.

 

[USCtrojan]

Enforcable by whom?? ALPA?? That's like me getting in a fight with my reflection in the mirror. Nothing will happen except for me hurting myself. SKYW isn't going to let ASA get bigger than them. They will have snakey lawyers find a way. But lets face it anyway. United won't collapse, politicians won't let them. If giving up somethings (ALPA, line bidding, etc) means a more promising future for those of us at ASA its probably an option worth looking at.

RLA. It's the little legal thingy by which Lawyers can enforce with the full backing of the law. It's that, you know, teeth that makes a "binding" Contract. I can understand why you would be worried, you have some catching up to do.

Trojan

 

[SNAFU_AIR]

Trojan, the Knight in shining armor. Trojan you seem awful hung up on how many posts I have. Are you the guy that goes around defending all of the tools on FI who suggest something asinine? I guess that makes you the PC Nazi. I'm glad you're here Trojan. Without you here to call the bad guys names, the "what's in it for me guys" might get trampled on.

I only have a few posts on here because I rarely ever get involved in the antics on this board. If you don't like my opinion, too bad. It is what it is. If that makes me a bad union member then so be it. However, I have zero inclination to feel "brotherly" towards fellow employees who want to whine about what the "other guys" have. Who cares? We have jobs, and a pretty good contract. I don't think we would be able to say the same thing without that contract. Thanks for being here Trojan, I don't know who else would console the malcontents.

 

[screamingpax]

RLA. It's the little legal thingy by which Lawyers can enforce with the full backing of the law. It's that, you know, teeth that makes a "binding" Contract. I can understand why you would be worried, you have some catching up to do.

Trojan

I understand the process. Point is, I don't put any faith in contracts. Any good lawyer can find ways through them.

 

[SNAFU_AIR]

Hypocrisy, is a pretty strong word. Coming from a guy who just sought to insult someone who was defending the idea of having a union on property against another person, that admittedly would want to do away with the ability to negotiate for the pilot groups' good, against a company that has repeatedly treated us like second class citizens; because that guy thought that someone was not being a sensitive "Union Brother" when calling that person out for what he is?

Hmm, wouldn't that make you the hypocrite (and for that matter the idiot)? Psst.... That was rhetorical also.

 

[FishandFly]

Snafu, please check your PM's.

 

[USCtrojan]

I understand the process. Point is, I don't put any faith in contracts. Any good lawyer can find ways through them.

Good point. Not that JA couldn't, he's quite resourceful. But it would be quite timely and very, very expensive. Doubled that last post, dammit!

Trojan