Would SKYW inc trade ASA PBS and dumping ALPA for 1 list?

[USCtrojan]

That's exactly it though. ALPA and PBS directly effect the bottom line of Skywest don't they? I know that both items have a direct impact on our quality of life, but I am just to the point of thinking that as a company we need to lock ourselves in with Skywest, which is likely one of the best airlines in history instead of continuing on the path of being the ugly stepchild.

Also, all you single guys should already be signing a petition. Just think of the flight attendants that would be coming out here.

OneList is something I've always been for. As the cliche goes, united we stand...Things are happening. They may not happen as you expect or on the timeline you desire. Don't go chicken little on me if things don't happen when or how you expect. As others have....

Trojan

 

[PCL_128]

That's exactly it though. ALPA and PBS directly effect the bottom line of Skywest don't they?

ALPA only affects Skywest's bottom line because ALPA demands better pay and work rules. Getting rid of ALPA only helps the company's bottom line if you also lose the work rules and the pay. Are you prepared to give up everything in your contract? (Not that this is a serious discussion, anyway, because you can't just negotiate away the bargaining agent.)

 

[sweptback]

(Not that this is a serious discussion, anyway, because you can't just negotiate away the bargaining agent.)

You also can't negotiate for something that's not for sale.

 

[FightingIrish]

This is a big discussion within the ASA ALPA inner circle right now, and there are two camps forming. There is a lot of worry about the upcoming election and the new Pinnacle contract. ALPA told ASA that a single list wasn't attainable, yet now Pinnacle achieved it. They also seem to have pay that is less than ASA, and no rigs. That puts ASA at an even bigger dissadvantage.

There are many here at ASA that don't want to become the next regional victim in the portfolio game. We are getting tired of some of ALPA's claims and games. We held the line here at ASA, and now this comes at Pinnacle. Many of us want ALPA, but we are getting tired of trying to justify what they do, while we suffer as the high cost operator.

I don't want to get rid of ALPA. I work hard as an ALPA volunteer. I can't support ALPA if things continue the way they are. I can't publically say what I think. If I do, I will be run out of my ALPA committee position.

ASA pilots, as an ALPA insider, you need to tell the leadership that you tired of the status quo. You need to challenge them. If you don't , nothing will change.

 

[sunlitpath]

Measure it this way. If Skywest continues to grow and ASA continues to shrink, then it will be time to consider a different course. We must do what is in the interest of our pilot group, regardless of antiquated allegiances to any union.

 

[FightingIrish]

Measure it this way. If Skywest continues to grow and ASA continues to shrink, then it will be time to consider a different course. We must do what is in the interest of our pilot group, regardless of antiquated allegiances to any union.

You are right. I would prefer to do it with ALPA. They have done a lot of good things, and they are a valuable resource. However we need to do what is in our best interest. I wear my ALPA pin with pride, but I sometimes shake my head at their actions.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

ASA pilots, as an ALPA insider, you need to tell the leadership that you tired of the status quo. You need to challenge them. If you don't , nothing will change.

Well that is just it.... and it is not exclusive to ALPA members... there is a member/citizen apathy that is about out entire culture....


Between the jumpseating issues and now this.... Skywests' and airline corporate teams would love for ASA to decertify or have vote after an intergration.....

Is that the goal....?

 

[FightingIrish]

Well that is just it.... and it is not exclusive to ALPA members... there is a member/citizen apathy that is about out entire culture....


Between the jumpseating issues and now this.... Skywests' and airline corporate teams would love for ASA to decertify or have vote after an intergration.....

Is that the goal....?

Rez, I agree. I have never seen the participation as high as it is now. It is not for the good however. ALPA is under threat here at ASA. The ASA pilots are tired of empty promisses from ALPA. ALPA told the ASA pilots that they can't negotiate for Delta flying. They said it belongs to the Delta pilots. Skywest negotiates for Delta flying. Why can Jerry do it, but not ASA ALPA? It doesn't compute for many of us who have given many years to ALPA. We want ALPA to survive, but it is getting tougher every day here.

 

[FishandFly]

In a perfect world I would choose to have had skywest vote in alpa, and then proceed to one list. I know that would have led to a significantly better working agreement for the skywest and asa pilots. The problem is that we all would likely agree that it would be impossible now. Skywest pilots have had there say numerous times and SKYW inc. wouldn't want alpa.

As for our losing alpa, I must say that there will be some things that are certainly missed. What we would gain would be incredible though.

The bottom line is that skywest inc. has more than proven themselves to me. They are top notch and are financially solid. Ten years is a long ways away, but I would bet money that being on the skywest side will be better than the asa side.

 

[Flybywire44]

The union drive would come right back after a ASA/SKY merger. Allegheny Mohawk would make things interesting.

 

[73belair]

. What we would gain would be incredible though.

What would that be? And don't tell me better pay or more flying. Tell me that industry leading ASAP things would happen. Tell me that just because we didn't have ALPA that SKW inc. would treat us just like they do SKW. Tell me that the pay rates and the PBS that will happen when ALPA looks at all the the options will be better than what JA has given skw so far. Give me a break. What has SKW put in place that was ahead of anything that a union carrier didin't fight for?

 

[Speedtape]

Rez, I agree. I have never seen the participation as high as it is now. It is not for the good however. ALPA is under threat here at ASA. The ASA pilots are tired of empty promisses from ALPA. ALPA told the ASA pilots that they can't negotiate for Delta flying. They said it belongs to the Delta pilots. Skywest negotiates for Delta flying. Why can Jerry do it, but not ASA ALPA? It doesn't compute for many of us who have given many years to ALPA. We want ALPA to survive, but it is getting tougher every day here.

In case you haven't figured it out yet, Jerry negotiates for Delta flying--for both Skywest and ASA. ALPA has not and does not negotiate for flying. Alpa negotiates your work rules, pay, and benefits. Through 3 contracts, they have delivered.

Just curious, to what empty promises are you referring? ALPA has been under threat since about 1931, when it was formed--it didn't just start happening in the last few years. The ASA pilots are ALPA at ASA. I would say that ALPA's threat at ASA are the disingenuous people who claim to be insiders and come on FI to try and reveal the interworkings of the MEC. YOU ARE THE THREAT! One has to question your loyalty and integrity, IF you are a volunteer.

But then, what Committee do you serve on? Why should anyone give any creedance to what you claim, when you obviously have no loyalty to anyone but yourself?

 

[Speedtape]

Measure it this way. If Skywest continues to grow and ASA continues to shrink, then it will be time to consider a different course. We must do what is in the interest of our pilot group, regardless of antiquated allegiances to any union.

Is Skywest continuing to grow? Check your facts, please.

 

[JustaNumber]

On a lighter note...

Just think of the flight attendants that would be coming out here.

I don't want to know what those guys do in their private time!

 

[Tarzan]

The ASA pilots are ALPA at ASA. I would say that ALPA's threat at ASA are the disingenuous people who claim to be insiders and come on FI to try and reveal the interworkings of the MEC. YOU ARE THE THREAT! One has to question your loyalty and integrity, IF you are a volunteer.

Why would he be the threat? Because he doesn't agree with how things are going at the MEC level? Why is he privvy to things that are going on at that level that the entire pilot group isn't then? I thought we were ALPA. We don't we have the down and dirty as well?