Would NetJets Strike If...?

[gunfyter]

Hey Gun I apologize for jumping on your post the other night. (I hate anything to do with Challengers)

According to the bogus articles in BCA on NBAA convention that GV posted... Flexjets is booming and NJ is lamenting losses. So maybe I was being prescient.

 

[dash_trash]

Mulitiple Shares

Here's a thought regarding "struck work." An owner has multiple shares across company lines. I know of a few who have shares in both Options and NJ. Lets say they use Options (BeechJet) for the shorter domestic flights, such as ACK - HPN, but they have a Falcon with NJ for the longer flights like coast to coast or Europe.

Now, Options is on strike and they want to take the flight from ACK to HPN. Would the Falcon crew be aware of their preferece in aircraft? Probably not, but this is a very real scenerio.

More than likely, you would see NJ pilots walking the line (on their own time) in support of their fellow 1108 brothers and sisters.

Just my $.02

 

[Lone Star 31a]

You know Lonestar, I bet you would like me. You're seeing what I'm seeing in this post, the NJ people will preach their mighty 1108, but their not willing to stand up for their brothers and sisters of the 1108 (should they decide to join). As long as everything is going smoothly, the union is great, but don't let things go south because then Flex and/Flops will be on thier own. Sounds like you don't have a very strong union, or puppets from NJ involved in the union to make it worth while. Alot of hot air from the NetJet and 1108 group.

Easy there, Bogart. I'm not defending you or your ideas. You had a very good question. No one wanted to answer until NJWife finally did along with a few others after her post. Somehow I get bashed for wanting to know the answer to your question. It does pose another question. If one frax were to strike and the others didn't (All under the 1108) wouldn't the others be line crossers? Here is my thought. Some contract owners have multiple contracts or ownerships in the frax. ie. One guy may have a fraction ownership at NJA and also at Flex. NJA strikes. Owner calls Flex. Gets his ride with Flex. Does everyone see the picture I am painting? This is by no means flamebaiting. This is a real situation that may happen. Or, in my case. If a frax strikes and they need owners moved. They call their network of 135's. Are you guys gonna call me a line crosser even though I am not in your union? I know this has been partially answered as a "No" but really. What will you say to me when I fly one of your owners when you are striking?

 

[Lone Star 31a]

The question was answered multiple times in this thread. Is english a second language?
If I were in your shoes, I'd stay away from unions. If flame baiters like HB rock your world you'd end up crossing a picket line, if it ever did come to that.

No it was a stupid question that he knew the answer to, he's been on this board for a long time and knows the deal with RLA/Mediator.

If you had read early in the thread I acknowledged the answer given. Nope. English is the first of four languages. That aside, no, it was a good question. It just happened to be from someone, it seems, no one likes. Had I posed the question I bet the responses would have been totally different. However, I had to stoop to the level of most everyone else to learn what the Union action would and should be. Yes, curiosity killed the cat. How else am I to learn what the answer is unless I ask? My fault is that I don't know much about unions. Not much need for it where I work. It is good, however, to keep myself educated as to what is going on in this industry. So bash me if you like. My skin is tough. Just remember that I'm just asking questions that can easily be answered by those who know the answers and are willing to not be condesending.

 

[x402]

Easy there, Bogart. I'm not defending you or your ideas. You had a very good question. No one wanted to answer until NJWife finally did along with a few others after her post. Somehow I get bashed for wanting to know the answer to your question. It does pose another question. If one frax were to strike and the others didn't (All under the 1108) wouldn't the others be line crossers? Here is my thought. Some contract owners have multiple contracts or ownerships in the frax. ie. One guy may have a fraction ownership at NJA and also at Flex. NJA strikes. Owner calls Flex. Gets his ride with Flex. Does everyone see the picture I am painting? This is by no means flamebaiting. This is a real situation that may happen. Or, in my case. If a frax strikes and they need owners moved. They call their network of 135's. Are you guys gonna call me a line crosser even though I am not in your union? I know this has been partially answered as a "No" but really. What will you say to me when I fly one of your owners when you are striking?

You must have balls of stone, the majority of fractionals have halted work, picket lines everywhere, don't you think you will be remebered? Ask the Eastern scabs how well things worked out for them, and yes I know that scab only applies to Union members crossing lines, but I'm glad you have no interest in any Union shop, it just makes things easier.
We certainly couldn't hurt you at your current place of employment, hope it meets your long term goals in life. I know NJA meets mine.

 

[Lone Star 31a]

You must have balls of stone, the majority of fractionals have halted work, picket lines everywhere, don't you think you will be remebered? Ask the Eastern scabs how well things worked out for them, and yes I know that scab only applies to Union members crossing lines, but I'm glad you have no interest in any Union shop, it just makes things easier.
We certainly couldn't hurt you at your current place of employment, hope it meets your long term goals in life. I know NJA meets mine.

I am well aware that there isn't a threat of a strike at this time. I'd have to live under stone to be ignorant of that. I am referring to a very real senerio that may happen in the future.

Ok. I'll just go back to my bong and take a long drag now.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

A simple observation here:

All of you are blurring the lines between part 121 Air Carriers and your local Kroger Food Stores.

Fractional Aircraft Ownership companies are not only a new ball field for management/pilots, but also for the Government. Just because frac pilots are union doesnt mean "labor issues" are going to handled the same as they are in the airlines... by the unions, the managements or the NMB.

All of this is uncharted waters folks. And you'll just have to wait and see.

FRAC PILOT PRO's:

small number of companies in the business, limited availability... thus a strike could do real damage.

MANAGEMENT PRO's:

99.9% of owners are die hard business people (and or Republicans) who in the long run dont care about pilots, much less the unions that represent them.

 

[RNObased]

A simple observation here:

All of you are blurring the lines between part 121 Air Carriers and your local Kroger Food Stores.

Fractional Aircraft Ownership companies are not only a new ball field for management/pilots, but also for the Government. Just because frac pilots are union doesnt mean "labor issues" are going to handled the same as they are in the airlines... by the unions, the managements or the NMB.

All of this is uncharted waters folks. And you'll just have to wait and see.

FRAC PILOT PRO's:

small number of companies in the business, limited availability... thus a strike could do real damage.

MANAGEMENT PRO's:

99.9% of owners are die hard business people (and or Republicans) who in the long run dont care about pilots, much less the unions that represent them.

Very true, Wolf Pack.

Also Bogart, your question is BS for one simple reason. The only pilots that are a part of 1108 are the NJA pilots. So until the time that another group of pilots joins 1108, it is a question that is moot. But it did get the response you wanted and that was to stir up some shi!. Congrats, loser.

 

[RNObased]

NetJets would let them on their own to fend for themselves. A bunch of union blow hards you are with no spine to stick with your union brothers and sisters. Go back to the 70's and the teamsters and see how Hoffa handled them.

Ok, smart guy. No spine, huh. Well I think you need to thank a teamster pilot the next time you see one. Why, because you are spending the raise that OUR CONTRACT GOT YOU!!!!! The reason we got the contract and you got your raise is, because we have more of a spine then you can even imagine. You are another of pilots on the is board that I thank god I don't have to share a cockpit with.

Now until the time that another pilot group joins 1108, a big IF. It is a moot point. However using your flawed logic, every time United strikes, every group that is ALPA should stike. Don't think that is allowed under the RLA.

 

[dash_trash]

Why, because you are spending the raise that OUR CONTRACT GOT YOU!!!!! The reason we got the contract and you got your raise is, because we have more of a spine then you can even imagine.

Couldn't agree more. I hope more of the Options pilots start to see the light, and may I ad a thanks to the NJ group for thier continued support.

 

[FRACTRASH]

As far as NJ getting CS the raise, I don't think so! Our management was working on a better compensation package for our pilots, so CS could be a career and not just a job. There goal was to keep pilots on the property long term. If CS doesn't have a industry leading management team, then why doesn't all the other fractionals management just do the same and take care of there employees. Why does everyone have to fight so hard to improve there quality of life and compensation package. As, far as I know CS was the only company to truly take care of there employees. I didn't have to fight for any of it and that feels good!!

 

[Diesel]

I didn't have to fight for any of it and that feels good!!

It must feel good to be able to ride on the coatails of others instead of being leaders.

I'm not a hard core union guy but anybody can see that 1108 got CS their raise. Yeah yeah we all heard that CS was "working on it" yet it didn't come out to right after ours? The company might have a good managment team but they are smart enough to know they had to react to the NJA contract.

HB is just trying to fan the flames. The question is would I participate in a sympathy strike? No I wouldn't, on my work time....... in my off time i'd support them at the pickets. You don't see United striking when American is striking. 1108 is the common union but we are seperate companies and if an owner has a share in both how am I supposed to know? I could care less. Maybe I read the threads wrong but thats the way I see it.

 

[citationsarejun]

FRACTRASH well said what a great job to have. Not in love with the product but couldn't be happier working here.

 

[GerryG]

"I didn't have to fight for any of it and that feels good!!"

No doubt it does. The 1108 did it for you. Thing is the timing of that raise calls your logic into question. Also the fact that no management not even the most magnanimous, would give a big raise like that without external motivation. Yes I think your management was wise in this instance, even brilliant perhaps. They were able to give you that raise and in the process avoid the additional cost of all of the other things contained in a contract, like the one NJ has and FLOPS soon will have.

 

[Diesel]

lonestar i answered your question