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Dash, I totally agree that it is in everyone's best interest to pull all of the frac wages up to professional standards.

Yes, the regionals are another aviation industry that needs serious correction. My sympathies to those pilots and their families, as well. One would hope that if the frac pilots could bring wages up across their industry that it would help the regional pilots in their call for fair wages.

Pilotpat, I, too, would like to see less bickering and more working together.
Good Luck with your future,
Netjetwife
 
In line with NBAA figures and well above the blue-collar wages many frac pilots are paid.

Do I get a bonus for answering in one sentence...:p
 
Humphreybogart Enjoy your micro world now. Hope you have a job app in at McDonald's because when the union is in it will become a closed shop and you will be paying dues.

Too bad there's bad apples in every bunch.
 
Bad Monkey, You said it's going to become a closed shop. Please, with a remark like that, who's living in a micro world? You guys just think you're all mighty. You NJ pilots keep saying our day will come and NJ used to be a good place. Face it, we learned from your mistakes and we are now the new breed non-union shop fractional. It makes me laugh, it wasn't too long ago you NJ pilots were telling everyone to stay away, it's horrible working here. Now, because you get more money, it's suddenly the place to be. It's still the same old employee beating sweat shop it was before the contract, you now just get paid more and suddenly all is well. I was happy with CS before the pay raise and I'm now just happier several years later. You might think I just fell of the truck yesterday, but I have considerable aviation experience and that includes fighting management. The 1108 didn't just reinvent the wheel here, it's just the same old Union battle that's been going on for ever. But, somehow management always has a way to get what they want in the long run. Good luck!
 
If it's so wonderful being in the 1108, then why is NJI fighting tooth and nail not to join you beloved union? Makes me wonder.
 
Humphreybogart Enjoy your micro world now. Hope you have a job app in at McDonald's because when the union is in it will become a closed shop and you will be paying dues.

Too bad there's bad apples in every bunch.

My theory is this:

Cool-Ade drinkers are like alcoholics. You have to hit ROCK BOTTOM before you get motivated to go to that first AA meeting.

As long as managements don't allow this condition to occur ... nobody will be looking to start on a 12-step program there.

I drank the 284 Cool-Ade all the way to the POS TA of 2004 came out.

So as long as managements stays in the ballpark with raises and work conditions compared to those negotiated by 1008. I don't see organization at that particular company happening. Cool-ade drinlkers will continue to inbibe.
 
Let me get this correct. If a company pays fair and treats you good, you don't see organization at that particular company. HELLLLOOOOO, of course not, that's what I've been trying to say. It's just possible CS figured out you get more productive soldiers with sugar instead of vinegar. You can keep drinking your vinegar. If it's so great at NJ, why do most of the pilots I see walking around like someone killed their cat?
 
Trash,

You may have gotten a wrong impression.

I like CS. If you look hard enough (I have a lot of posts)... you will see I have never NEVER said anything negative. And some positive things. I have said I would work there if I needed a job. However, I do prefer a union and Contract.

You have a good deal right now ... so enjoy it.

Hope it never changes ... but if it does. You can count on us to help.

But that help does not include US doing a strike against NJ. First it would be of no help but more importantly it would be illegal and never be approved by the government.... Thats why Bogarts question is a STUPID question.
 
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Let me get this correct. If a company pays fair and treats you good, you don't see organization at that particular company. HELLLLOOOOO, of course not, that's what I've been trying to say. It's just possible CS figured out you get more productive soldiers with sugar instead of vinegar. You can keep drinking your vinegar. If it's so great at NJ, why do most of the pilots I see walking around like someone killed their cat?


Who let the cat out out of the bag is more likely the question.

Companies tend to replace the personnel in management over time that know how to use sugar. Sugar has always been more expensive than salt.

What you are seeing at NJA is a journey through time to a place where management has long forgot about the benefits of wooing employees. This place is all about the 7% return on investment to BrkHath.

For example...
2004.
It was fun watching upper management run around showing their 7% tattoos they just had inked on random body parts during negotiations. I still remember the video vivdly...

(FADE AWAY INTO THE PAST.... doo doooo dooo dooo).

Cut Scene to Mr. Moisture on film in a fake, cheesy looking office you might find a seedy private investor in or a used car salesman frequent.

"Pilots... nay, FRIENDS!!" (Big smile). "What we have here is a conundrum. Yes, I say a conundrum. You see, WE, US, all of us are in a bit of a pickle. There is no way I can continue to make boookoo bucks and fly around in an Ultra with my girlfriend if you guys score big with a contract. What "The Parent Company" wants is 7% return on it's investment. Now I know it's 2004 and aviation, as a whole, is losing about 38% of it's investment value right now but hey... we can do it (big Gee Wally thumbs up)!! Ya see we have costs. YOU are costs. We seek to eliminate costs. We would get rid of you but we can't we need you. Therefore I propose to keep you but for much less. Sound good? Moisty still loves ya though!

Fade to RTS.

"Hello aviators."

"Words, words, words, words."

"We need to reduce costs. You are a cost."

"Pilots, you are just the best and I think I love.... CHOKE AND PUKE"!

(FADE TO BLACK BECAUSE MR. S JUST GAGGED SAYING SOMETHING NICE.)

(FADE BACK TO 2006... doo doo dooooo dooood dooo).

Nothin's changed execpt the players and the fact that those of us who lived through that period here have forever lost the memory of what sugar tastes like. We enjoy our jobs because we now have a contract that enables us to enjoy certain protections, benefits that help us live today and prepare for later life and a salary level that is at least better than before.

... Oh but the cost was more than 7%.

And I'm not talking about money.

No sir. No one killed our cat... but at times many of us still feel a bit run over.
 
Fractrash posted:

I didn't have to fight for any of it and that feels good!!

Enjoy it now trash because if history is any indication, at some point that drunk will turn into a hangover. Get back to us when your pilot group expands to 1k-2k.

I'm just thankful we didn't have to rely on guys like you during our fight.
 

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