Would NetJets Strike If...?

[FRACTRASH]

Let me get this correct. If a company pays fair and treats you good, you don't see organization at that particular company. HELLLLOOOOO, of course not, that's what I've been trying to say. It's just possible CS figured out you get more productive soldiers with sugar instead of vinegar. You can keep drinking your vinegar. If it's so great at NJ, why do most of the pilots I see walking around like someone killed their cat?

 

[gunfyter]

Trash,

You may have gotten a wrong impression.

I like CS. If you look hard enough (I have a lot of posts)... you will see I have never NEVER said anything negative. And some positive things. I have said I would work there if I needed a job. However, I do prefer a union and Contract.

You have a good deal right now ... so enjoy it.

Hope it never changes ... but if it does. You can count on us to help.

But that help does not include US doing a strike against NJ. First it would be of no help but more importantly it would be illegal and never be approved by the government.... Thats why Bogarts question is a STUPID question.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Let me get this correct. If a company pays fair and treats you good, you don't see organization at that particular company. HELLLLOOOOO, of course not, that's what I've been trying to say. It's just possible CS figured out you get more productive soldiers with sugar instead of vinegar. You can keep drinking your vinegar. If it's so great at NJ, why do most of the pilots I see walking around like someone killed their cat?

Who let the cat out out of the bag is more likely the question.

Companies tend to replace the personnel in management over time that know how to use sugar. Sugar has always been more expensive than salt.

What you are seeing at NJA is a journey through time to a place where management has long forgot about the benefits of wooing employees. This place is all about the 7% return on investment to BrkHath.

For example...
2004.
It was fun watching upper management run around showing their 7% tattoos they just had inked on random body parts during negotiations. I still remember the video vivdly...

(FADE AWAY INTO THE PAST.... doo doooo dooo dooo).

Cut Scene to Mr. Moisture on film in a fake, cheesy looking office you might find a seedy private investor in or a used car salesman frequent.

"Pilots... nay, FRIENDS!!" (Big smile). "What we have here is a conundrum. Yes, I say a conundrum. You see, WE, US, all of us are in a bit of a pickle. There is no way I can continue to make boookoo bucks and fly around in an Ultra with my girlfriend if you guys score big with a contract. What "The Parent Company" wants is 7% return on it's investment. Now I know it's 2004 and aviation, as a whole, is losing about 38% of it's investment value right now but hey... we can do it (big Gee Wally thumbs up)!! Ya see we have costs. YOU are costs. We seek to eliminate costs. We would get rid of you but we can't we need you. Therefore I propose to keep you but for much less. Sound good? Moisty still loves ya though!

Fade to RTS.

"Hello aviators."

"Words, words, words, words."

"We need to reduce costs. You are a cost."

"Pilots, you are just the best and I think I love.... CHOKE AND PUKE"!

(FADE TO BLACK BECAUSE MR. S JUST GAGGED SAYING SOMETHING NICE.)

(FADE BACK TO 2006... doo doo dooooo dooood dooo).

Nothin's changed execpt the players and the fact that those of us who lived through that period here have forever lost the memory of what sugar tastes like. We enjoy our jobs because we now have a contract that enables us to enjoy certain protections, benefits that help us live today and prepare for later life and a salary level that is at least better than before.

... Oh but the cost was more than 7%.

And I'm not talking about money.

No sir. No one killed our cat... but at times many of us still feel a bit run over.

 

[Hogprint]

Fractrash posted:

I didn't have to fight for any of it and that feels good!!

Enjoy it now trash because if history is any indication, at some point that drunk will turn into a hangover. Get back to us when your pilot group expands to 1k-2k.

I'm just thankful we didn't have to rely on guys like you during our fight.

 

[FRACTRASH]

I'm a lover not a fighter, sorry!!

 

[Ultra Grump]

Honestly, I don't give a dang if CS joins 1108 or not. Just don't come here spouting how benevolent your management is in giving you raises, when you know dang well you wouldn't have gotten them had we not gotten ours first. I've said this before: if your management is so wonderful, when do you suppose your next raise will be? My guess is sometime after 2010. Wanna take a guess at what will happen then to cause your raise?

edit: interesting, if you write "d a m n" without the spaces, the board automatically changes it to "dang." A little too sensitive, if you ask me. We ought to at the very least be able to use the same language that's allowed on network TV. Tangent, sorry.

 

[FRACTRASH]

Ultra Grump, It sounds like your about ready to cry. We've been back and forth on this forever. Lets get over your self and move on. Like I said if the 1108 is so wonderful why do you have a pilot group within your own company NJI who wants no parts of it, unless forced to.

We were getting a raise if you got one or not, so people would look at CS as a long term career. It gets expensive in training cost not to mention the higher quality of service you can provide to the owners with people they get to know and trust. When was the last time your CEO approached you on a flight and wanted to know what he could be doing better for the pilot group. That's what sets us apart from the other fractionals. He knows happy people provide top notch service because we don't waste our time thinking about how management screwed us and our next grievance.

 

[FRACTRASH]

I will say NJ has a couple good benefits that we don't yet. But we're young, give it time.

 

[FRACTRASH]

Here's a question for the 1108. NJ goes on strike for what ever reason in the future. Owner Mr. Jones wants to fly A to B, but you're on strike, so no one is flying. Flex or Flops is also apart of the 1108 and Mr. Jones has a share with them as well and they take the trip even though NJ is on strike, would that crew be considered a scab for taking struck work?

 

[AceCrackshot]

I'm a lover not a fighter, sorry!!

Maybe if Lover equals coattail riding, cream skimming coward. Your turn will come if you stay at CS. Count on it.