Will SWA and AT truly merge?

[Bob Dylan]

See, now THAT'S what straight-up flame bait looks like...

At least I got a good laugh out of it.

Next...

This from an AirTran captain I bet.

Face it, your company was bought! How you think you should be senior to any SWA pilot is beyond arrogant.

Everybody except you AT captains would be thrilled with a staple to SWA. I think you even admitted that at one time, right. Talk about being a hypocrite.

A staple would pass a vote easily and the arbitrator will recognize that.

 

[doh]

Bobbie, if you want to make a bet, I'm in for $1,000 that says you don't get a straight up staple!

 

[Lear70]

This from an AirTran captain I bet.

Face it, your company was bought! How you think you should be senior to any SWA pilot is beyond arrogant.

Everybody except you AT captains would be thrilled with a staple to SWA. I think you even admitted that at one time, right. Talk about being a hypocrite.

A staple would pass a vote easily and the arbitrator will recognize that.

Arrogance? Really? Pot, meet kettle.

As far as the staple... Keep dreaming, my friend... keep dreaming...

 

[ivauir]

I'm not "bitterly attacking" anyone, even if they are operating way outside of the realm of likely outcomes, as the previous poster was. A poster, btw, who has just joined flightinfo and this was his first post (hmmm- what a coincidence).

Whatever gets you through the night.

I don't think there is anything to be gained here. All of your points have long since been refuted, some by people much more objective than you or I.

Ty,

Again, this is exactly what I am talking about. This is typical of your style and it really rubs me raw. You are not an authority on B/M or AGM. You haven't "long since refuted" ANY of these points. All you have done is post your opinion as fact. No, strike that, the only thing I read from you is name calling diatribes where you make juvenile attempt at positioning. This isn't anything like DAL/NW and you know it. Career expectations is a HUGE part of these proceedings and these pilot groups are worlds apart. You know that too, but you pretend that you don't.

It all amounts to a transparent attempt at positioning which serves no purpose except to make your future coworkers angry.

I hope your team has better knowledge and balance then you exhibit here or this is going to get ugly.


Welcome to the party. Play nice.

 

[En Mort Main]

I think the SWA guys/gals on here are not understanding the way arbitration works. The AT guys are trying to explain it but it seems to fall on deaf ears.
The arbitrator is not going to look at what the pilot groups recieve from the third party (i.e. Company) That does not matter when it comes to senority. I have a feeling that this explanation will fall on deaf ears but it is worth trying again.
Seniority will be decided on where are you now and where can you expect to be at retirement. Pay, holidays, QOL issues will not be factored into the formulation of this list.
I understand how SWA pilots feel this is unfair towards them....but it is not. The SWA pilots are not losing anything by SWA (the company) paying other pilots (AT) pilots the same pay as they now recieve. SWA pilots do not lose anything but having SWA (The Company) extend current negotiated work rules to AT.
SO all these claims that AT are collecting a "Windfall" at the Exspence of SWA pilots is nonsense. After the sli no one is going to come up to a SWA pilot and demand anything from them.
Now if SWA got what it wants and stapled AT, SWA PILOTS mostly FO's will recieve a WINDFALL in a true sense. They will be recieveing CA slots at the exspense of current AT CA's.. After the SLI was awarded someone WOULD come and demand the AT CA to return to being an FO.

I know from the rhetoric already exspoused on this thread that SWA pilots will glaze over this explanation and still demand concessions from the AT pilots unjustly believing that himself the swa pilot gave the AT pilots all this money and QOL issues, when in fact the SWA pilots are not giving anything to the AT pilots. SWA the company is who is giving the pay and benefits.

So the belief that AT pilots are recieveing a windfall at the exspense of the SWA pilot group is nonsense.
If the voices on this board are a representation of what the pilot groups truly believe why even waste the time of having a nagotiating commitee and go straight to arbitration?

EN MORT MAIN

p.s. I personally believe if AT pilots allow anything besides relative seniority they will be sailing themselves short.

 

[Bob Dylan]

Bobbie, if you want to make a bet, I'm in for $1,000 that says you don't get a straight up staple!

I don't wok for either airline, but as an impartial observer, I see an AT staple being the fairest integration.

The list should be integrated by a vote of the pilot groups. Staple would pass easily.

 

[texman]

Mr. En la Mort Main. You and WE have no clue how this will go down. Put the pipe down. It's all good bro.

 

[Noserider76]

Purchased vs merged will make no difference to an arbitrator. Be great if you guys could come to some agreements among yourselves and squeeze some dinero out of the company for easing the integration but it doesn't sound like it will happen.

 

[ivauir]

The list should be integrated by a vote of the pilot groups.

Think about this for a moment.

Why not? It is the SWAPA way - let the membership decide!

 

[doh]

I don't wok for either airline, but as an impartial observer, I see an AT staple being the fairest integration.

The list should be integrated by a vote of the pilot groups. Staple would pass easily.

Are you by chance an Eastie? Tyranny by the majority is a hallmark of the Eastie. If AT pilots outnumbered SWA pilots, would it be fair to staple SWA? I know I'm going to regret asking these questions...

 

[spitfire1500]

When I read about this "merger/ purchase" I keep reading about this co. called "Guadalupe Holdings"....why is SWA not just purchasing AT outright and instead using this holding co?

 

[Ty Webb]

I don't wok for either airline, but as an impartial observer, I see an AT staple being the fairest integration.

The list should be integrated by a vote of the pilot groups. Staple would pass easily.

Bob, are you stoned, or just stupid? You're obviously not in touch with reality. :laugh:

You don't "wok" for either airline? Who do you "wok" for? Beni-Hana's?
:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[Lear70]

When I read about this "merger/ purchase" I keep reading about this co. called "Guadalupe Holdings"....why is SWA not just purchasing AT outright and instead using this holding co?

It has multiple tax advantages; other airlines have done the same. Nothing much to see here, no black helicopters.

Are you by chance an Eastie? Tyranny by the majority is a hallmark of the Eastie. If AT pilots outnumbered SWA pilots, would it be fair to staple SWA? I know I'm going to regret asking these questions...

We already had this discussion ad nauseum in another thread with Bobbie...

That was his general idea, take a COMBINED vote on whether to staple everyone. Since the Southwest pilots outnumber the AirTran pilots 3.5 to 1, then yes, it carries easily by the majority (all the SWA pilots vote to staple, zero of the AirTran pilots vote to staple, vote is still carried) while completely screwing the entire AirTran pilot group, thus fostering hostility and animosity for decades and destroying the corporate culture. Great idea. :erm:

So no, it's not going to happen. Just another useless piece of FI flame bait. Now, back to the discussion for people who actually a.) have a dog in the fight and b.) have USEFUL alternatives to discuss to the process.

 

[ASADFW7]

A couple of things, that may or may not be interesting to you all. You can put this in the rumor file but still. Two B717 simulators are headed to DAL in January. Soon after the acquisition is complete, DEN will open as a crew base including B717 and B737 crews. Since this is not an existing crew base either group staffs it will be interesting who gets to staff these airplanes. Each B737 parked at a SWA domicile that was an AT aircraft will eventually be an originator out of an existing crew base.

No Flame only rumors. Cheers, sort out who will fly out of DEN and how you think a fence woulda shouds coulda who cares, fences will be irrelevant there is a good chance things need to get sorted out sooner than later for pilots who do not have as many airplanes in ATL to crew to sort out where they will go.

Figure that out will ya and let me know what you decide? I have no idea.

 

[Bob Dylan]

Are you by chance an Eastie? Tyranny by the majority is a hallmark of the Eastie. If AT pilots outnumbered SWA pilots, would it be fair to staple SWA? I know I'm going to regret asking these questions...

Just let the AirTran pilot group vote then. Staple or no deal.

That vote would easily pass by a large majority too.