Will SWA and AT truly merge?

[General Lee]

Talking outlandish and bloviated, I think you forgot the part that AT pilots voted by an over 80 plus percent margin to accept that pay.

They thought everyone was playing fair, and you would have done the same. Then, the rules changed (perceived threats, which always helps), and now those 80% won't forget how they are currently being treated. Have fun with that! That fun spirit of yours might just be a memory coming up here. Throw in stagnation, and cost cutting currently happening, and that thing that made you guys different will be gone. But hey, you always got LBB.


Bye Bye--- General Lee

PS: a real merger pays people the same on the same type aircraft, otherwise you are taking advantage of your fellow co-workers. And your group not standing up for that makes YOU guilty.

 

[General Lee]

It is downright lies like this that make you king of the bloviating blowhards on this and any other aviation related forum.

In my 18 years not ONE Southwest Captain has ever left for another airline. Not one. And very few new First Officers have left. Interestingly enough though, I have flown with THREE former Delta Captains. And many former American, United, America West, USair and Delta First Officers.

So General Cheese, whats your point? Please don't bother explaining. It would be just a line of crap anyways.

Not one guy has left that you know in 18 years? Not one? None? Oh come on. I do know a fNWA guy that left NWA just at the merge with DL and went to SWA, and ended up in the "bottom 268?" at SWA and is now miserable, being bumped out of your MCO base. Btw, there were SWA captains leaving for UAL pre-9-11. Did you know everyone back then? With the obvious discontent shown now by both AT and junior SWA pilots, I see the migration continuing. That's my point. You need to clean up your collective act, because people are sensing that your place isn't "the place" to be anymore. Have a great Thanksgiving.


Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[Dash Power]

Go ask Dash Power. I merely unpacked his logic.

Did you miss the short bus this morning?

 

[Dash Power]

Btw, there were SWA captains leaving for UAL pre-9-11.

Not a single SWA Captain has left for UAL. Ever. That is a fact.

What is also a fact is that I have flown with THREE former Delta Captains.

 

[General Lee]

Not a single SWA Captain has left for UAL. Ever. That is a fact.

What is also a fact is that I have flown with THREE former Delta Captains.

Did they take the early out at DL? That would make sense. If they did, they are now junior at SWA, and junior to many AT guys. I bet they are thrilled. It sounds like the bottom half of your list will implode. Nobody is happy. AT pilots know they are still being taken advantage of, and junior SWA FOs being bumped out of bases as AT pilots downgrade.

And it's great you know who left for where over a decade ago. You must have been a social butterfly at SWA. Let me guess, you were Prom Queen back in High School....?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Hey, I heard a rumor. Rumor has it the SWA guy who did the 717 deal for DL got into major "trouble" after the honchos supposedly found out what type of deal he made. Not only did SWA have to pay $100 million or so for the re-configuring of the planes, new paint, wifi, etc. but also each plane will get a C-check or D-check paid for, and when the leases run out in 10 years, DL might have the option to buy the planes from Boeing at then "current" market rates (in 10 years). If true, that would be a screaming deal, and I hope the rumor of the guy getting into trouble isn't true. Happy Thanksgiving!



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[madjack]

Just flew with a 15 year USAIR pilot, loves it here...also just flew with a 7 year former AAI 117 FO (close to upgrade at AAI) who loves it here...on the AAI side there appears to be some real emotion towards the MEC that did not allow SL9 to go out for a vote...the truth is often more complicated than we like to admit...I personally know of a SWA pilot who left for FEDEX pre 9-11...I hear rumors that SWA FOs are considering leaving for DL...who knows, the career is a crap shoot...if the worst thing that happens is that your company was bought by SWA or you left SWA for FEDEX or DL than I would say you have little to complain about...

 

[madjack]

Hey General,

I guess Mom hasn't finished cooking the turkey yet? Ha Ha, happy thanksgiving and keep on keeping it real (from your perspective)...

 

[General Lee]

Just flew with a 15 year USAIR pilot, loves it here...also just flew with a 7 year former AAI 117 FO (close to upgrade at AAI) who loves it here...on the AAI side there appears to be some real emotion towards the MEC that did not allow SL9 to go out for a vote...the truth is often more complicated than we like to admit...I personally know of a SWA pilot who left for FEDEX pre 9-11...I hear rumors that SWA FOs are considering leaving for DL...who knows, the career is a crap shoot...if the worst thing that happens is that your company was bought by SWA or you left SWA for FEDEX or DL than I would say you have little to complain about...

There is some truth to what you say, but if one group was favored by the boss, then that boss and group will be disliked by the affected group. If an arbitrator, a neutral, makes a decision and it is disliked by many, they point the blame and anger towards the neutral. That helps because the company heals faster, with hatred pointing outward, not inward. You guys went the other way. Working at SWA is probably better than being at AT, but now you've got inward anger that may exist for years to come. Let's hope everyone manages it better.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Skyboy722]

General, you're full of it. At USAir, I'm pretty sure they hate each other.

Mergers and acquisitions suck.

 

[canyonblue]

Guess what? Along with Domestic only cities, you Corndogs get to fly 737s all over Texas. Whoopie!



Bye Bye---General Lee

Are you really this stupid? You write this in almost every post like a 5th grader arguing with his sister. Please do me a favor, put me on your ignore list and never quote me again. You are truly a strange individual.

 

[Lear70]

also just flew with a 7 year former AAI 117 FO (close to upgrade at AAI) who loves it here...

And you really think they will say anything else?

In the grand scheme of things, we still have a job, so it's hard to complain about being a 20+ year gear-jerker when it comes with a decent paycheck, decent time off, and overall company stability like Southwest has shown over the years. People realize that, and will act (and speak) accordingly once they're there.

What else would you think they'd do?

if the worst thing that happens is that your company was bought by SWA or you left SWA for FEDEX or DL than I would say you have little to complain about...

True that.

 

[scoreboardII]

And you really think they will say anything else?

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so your saying AT guys lie?

In the grand scheme of things, we still have a job, so it's hard to complain about being a 20+ year gear-jerker when it comes with a decent paycheck, decent time off, and overall company stability like Southwest has shown over the years. People realize that, and will act (and speak) accordingly once they're there.

What else would you think they'd do?


True that

Be honest?

I like your other thoughts though, true dat.

 

[redflyer65]

They thought everyone was playing fair, and you would have done the same. Then, the rules changed (perceived threats, which always helps), and now those 80% won't forget how they are currently being treated. Have fun with that! That fun spirit of yours might just be a memory coming up here. Throw in stagnation, and cost cutting currently happening, and that thing that made you guys different will be gone. But hey, you always got LBB.


Bye Bye--- General Lee

PS: a real merger pays people the same on the same type aircraft, otherwise you are taking advantage of your fellow co-workers. And your group not standing up for that makes YOU guilty.

What a nutbag. The only reason General wanted arbitration is for his own amusement. Absolutely nothing else. He could give a rat's @ss about the Airtran guys. But now comes on here and BLOVIATES about how they should have gotten this or that? Unbelievably idiotic. Which fits exactly into many of his lastest post. I wonder what Riahanna is doing lately? I'm sure he will update us shortly.

That one word Scoreboard pretty much describes the 95% of the General's post lately. Bloviation.

He used to add good info back in the day. Now it's pretty much just garbage. Similiar to how he likes to run over to the Regional area and throw stones at them too. Idiotic.

RF

 

[General Lee]

Are you really this stupid? You write this in almost every post like a 5th grader arguing with his sister. Please do me a favor, put me on your ignore list and never quote me again. You are truly a strange individual.

Nah, the comedy you Corndogs provide is just priceless. Especially you. I provide a service to bring you back to reality. I LUV it.

Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

What a nutbag. The only reason General wanted arbitration is for his own amusement. Absolutely nothing else. He could give a rat's @ss about the Airtran guys. But now comes on here and BLOVIATES about how they should have gotten this or that? Unbelievably idiotic. Which fits exactly into many of his lastest post. I wonder what Riahanna is doing lately? I'm sure he will update us shortly.

That one word Scoreboard pretty much describes the 95% of the General's post lately. Bloviation.

He used to add good info back in the day. Now it's pretty much just garbage. Similiar to how he likes to run over to the Regional area and throw stones at them too. Idiotic.

RF

Ha ha ha. Certain stagnation must be getting to you, and the fact that 5 leg days and LBB are no doubt in your future. I don't blame you for being upset.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Dan Roman]

Are you really this stupid? You write this in almost every post like a 5th grader arguing with his sister. Please do me a favor, put me on your ignore list and never quote me again. You are truly a strange individual.

Say's the guy who has "Delta and Alaska suck" in his avatar and a quote from PCL128 in every post!

 

[Lear70]

so your saying AT guys lie?

Of course not; NOT speaking their mind isn't lying, and some of them ARE disgruntled at our MEC and can redirect the conversation that way. They DO know how to get along and shut up and color.

Seriously, who's going to cause a conflict in the cockpit by speaking their mind, not to mention making a name for themselves in the process?

Our people are more professional than that, and will move on, get along, and find a happy place in life, although their happy place may not revolve around their job again for a while, it's just a matter of time to adjust.

I like your other thoughts though, true dat.

Hope you and everyone had a good Thanksgiving yesterday.

 

[canyonblue]

Say's the guy who has "Delta and Alaska suck" in his avatar and a quote from PCL128 in every post!

I could change it to Hawaiian, but then I would be accused of picking on the little guy. And on another note, why do so many of you "other airline" guys always end up posting and SWA or AAI threads? It's pretty creepy.

 

[dicko]

What is also a fact is that I have flown with THREE former Delta Captains.

I've flown with SEVEN - At AirTran.

 

[Dash Power]

Did they take the early out at DL? That would make sense. If they did, they are now junior at SWA, and junior to many AT guys. I bet they are thrilled. It sounds like the bottom half of your list will implode. Nobody is happy. AT pilots know they are still being taken advantage of, and junior SWA FOs being bumped out of bases as AT pilots downgrade.

And it's great you know who left for where over a decade ago. You must have been a social butterfly at SWA. Let me guess, you were Prom Queen back in High School....?


Bye Bye---General Lee

Actually the Delta Captains I have flown with left because they were afraid they were going to lose their retirement. They all said they have never enjoyed flying more than at SWA.

You are wrong about the atmosphere with our pilots at any seniority level. How you could possibly know without working here is yet another job for a psychologist to figure out about your insane obsession about things that are none of your business.

Our pilots have a very active rumor mill and when someone left we all knew about it. We like others have had our forums ever since I have been here. When someone left our union conducts an exit interview and at one time in the past 10 years or so published those results. They did so prior to 9/11 because the industry was in such a tremendous hiring mode we wanted to stay ahead of the game to ascertain we were able to recruit quality individuals. Then 9/11 happened and airlines like DELTA, United and others went BANKRUPT and their futures were very uncertain so we didn't have any problems recruiting quality people anymore.

We are a very social group that largely are hired by our character which includes mutual respect (something I know you think you understand but everyone on here sees you clearly do not) but in reference to your fifth grade "Prom Queen" remark, all of us can once again clearly see who was who's BITCH in high school. I am sorry it has taken such a toll on your self esteem to the point you have to hide on a forum and be a coward.

Think about that General every time you look in the mirror. That is what a coward looks like.

 

[Dan Roman]

I could change it to Hawaiian, but then I would be accused of picking on the little guy. And on another note, why do so many of you "other airline" guys always end up posting and SWA or AAI threads? It's pretty creepy.

Of course Hawaiian is a very small carrier, all we do is serve Hawaii. Yet you say it like it's a bad thing?? It's a good thing, it's a great place to work and filled with people that mostly want to be in Hawaii or at least want to work there. I think we all enjoy being small. Especially given the fact that we are small, yet very big IN Hawaii. It's a great niche to fill.
I have to wonder though, if you through out the "little" airline comment like it's an insult, you must feel pretty inferior too Delta?

 

[SWAdude]

Of course Hawaiian is a very small carrier, all we do is serve Hawaii. Yet you say it like it's a bad thing?? It's a good thing, it's a great place to work and filled with people that mostly want to be in Hawaii or at least want to work there. I think we all enjoy being small. Especially given the fact that we are small, yet very big IN Hawaii. It's a great niche to fill.
I have to wonder though, if you through out the "little" airline comment like it's an insult, you must feel pretty inferior too Delta?

Canyonblue clearly didn't mean how you took it.

You guys are always so friendly when you hitch and ride on us and always thank us afterwards. And the way you treat us when we jumpseat should be the industry standard.

 

[General Lee]

Actually the Delta Captains I have flown with left because they were afraid they were going to lose their retirement. They all said they have never enjoyed flying more than at SWA.

You are wrong about the atmosphere with our pilots at any seniority level. How you could possibly know without working here is yet another job for a psychologist to figure out about your insane obsession about things that are none of your business.

Our pilots have a very active rumor mill and when someone left we all knew about it. We like others have had our forums ever since I have been here. When someone left our union conducts an exit interview and at one time in the past 10 years or so published those results. They did so prior to 9/11 because the industry was in such a tremendous hiring mode we wanted to stay ahead of the game to ascertain we were able to recruit quality individuals. Then 9/11 happened and airlines like DELTA, United and others went BANKRUPT and their futures were very uncertain so we didn't have any problems recruiting quality people anymore.

We are a very social group that largely are hired by our character which includes mutual respect (something I know you think you understand but everyone on here sees you clearly do not) but in reference to your fifth grade "Prom Queen" remark, all of us can once again clearly see who was who's BITCH in high school. I am sorry it has taken such a toll on your self esteem to the point you have to hide on a forum and be a coward.

Think about that General every time you look in the mirror. That is what a coward looks like.

Dash,

That's what I stated, "they took the early out" (retirement). You obviously didn't read my response, it was the first sentence. Oh well. I'm sure those ex DL guys were happy to move to SWA after the BK, but the AT merger and subsequent degradation of their QOL and bad attitudes incurred during your merger has probably wore them down, along with the 5 leg days...

And this is an anonymous board. I don't know if you are a guy or a girl, and I don't care. What is important though is you starting to understand that your merger was handled poorly. Your new brothers feel like they got pooped on, by both your pilot group (for not accepting the fact that flying the same planes and not paying the same for a few years is WRONG), and by daddy telling them to take it or leave it. If you can't see that, then you are the coward. Admit your shortcomings, it will set you free.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[J.Otto]

And on another note, why do so many of you "other airline" guys always end up posting and SWA or AAI threads? It's pretty creepy.

It prolly has a lot to do with the immense entertainment value this "failed" merger provides around here for everyone else not involved... SWA/AAI threads deliver!

 

[redflyer65]

Certain stagnation must be getting to you,

Bye Bye---General Lee

That's funny coming from a Delta Outsourcer.

I recently decided I did want to fly Delta passengers around, so I just put applications in with...




Alaska


I'm sure more Delta codeshare is in the works. Standby for new announcements. Haha.

RF

 

[Dash Power]

Dash,

That's what I stated, "they took the early out" (retirement). You obviously didn't read my response, it was the first sentence. Oh well. I'm sure those ex DL guys were happy to move to SWA after the BK, but the AT merger and subsequent degradation of their QOL and bad attitudes incurred during your merger has probably wore them down, along with the 5 leg days...

And this is an anonymous board. I don't know if you are a guy or a girl, and I don't care. What is important though is you starting to understand that your merger was handled poorly. Your new brothers feel like they got pooped on, by both your pilot group (for not accepting the fact that flying the same planes and not paying the same for a few years is WRONG), and by daddy telling them to take it or leave it. If you can't see that, then you are the coward. Admit your shortcomings, it will set you free.



Bye Bye---General Lee

If I can't see that a work group got wronged then I am a coward........

Amongst a long list of other things, comprehension is just another one of your problems. You are a strange little man.

 

[Dan Roman]

Canyonblue clearly didn't mean how you took it.

You guys are always so friendly when you hitch and ride on us and always thank us afterwards. And the way you treat us when we jumpseat should be the industry standard.

Well when he talked about adding Hawaiian sucks! to his avatar I took it as not a particularly friendly exchange!
But thanks for the kind words and the feeling is mutual, we all have a lot more common in person than these web boards would have some believing. Which is why a really don't take anything to personal on here.

 

[Dan Roman]

. And on another note, why do so many of you "other airline" guys always end up posting and SWA or AAI threads? It's pretty creepy.

Seems kind of an odd perspective given the fact that this is a web board meant for the whole industry. I assume you have your own company specific web board for internal matters like everyone else?
The perspective that you should post stuff on here for only SWA's pilots eyes is just a bit narcissistic to say the least.
Personally I like to hear whats going on around the industry at other carriers. Some of it's useful and I certainly can't imagine thinking I could put HAL stuff on here that is no one else's business?? It's not a bad thing hearing other perspectives on your own airline.
In fact the only really creepy thing would be pilots like Tankerclown posing as something they are not or that SWA guy who use to disguise himself as a Delta Connection RJ pilot. THAT'S a little creepy!

 

[scoreboardII]

You had to ruin my day and bring those guys up?