Whats up with civi pilots?

[Huggyu2]

Seeing as I'm spending my Christmas vacation putting in flooring through the entire downstairs of my house, you can bet your sweet you-know-what that I'll be coming off of leave on Friday so I can burn a little JP-8 and get an early Christmas present to me (from Uncle Sam and the taxpayers)!

 

[YGBSM]

I know what you mean, but this comment reminded me of something. In many cases, civilian flying is all about "not flying". When military pilots talk, they all talk about how they try to figure out a way to get on the flying schedule more than they already do. When I talk to my airline buddies, they tell me all the ways they try to avoid having to fly. For them, "not flying" is their goal.

Ditto.

Says a lot about the "quality" of the flying, don't it?

Oops, sorry, flying that CRJ, uh, "kicks ass" too.

Oops. sorry, airline guys. Didn't mean to, well, you know.

Sorry.

 

[Gorilla]

Ditto.

Says a lot about the "quality" of the flying, don't it?

Oops, sorry, flying that CRJ, uh, "kicks ass" too.

Oops. sorry, airline guys. Didn't mean to, well, you know.

Sorry.

Don't be sorry. Civilian flying is a joke compared to military flying. That is why there will always be an inseparable gulf between pure civilian background pilots and military background pilots. On the other hand, civilians don't have to write ground training programs, wear MOP gear, get anthrax shots, and watch their friends become smoking holes. You go civilian for either QOL, pay, or both, not because the flying is better. And in today's environment, while the QOL will very probably be better, the pay has certainly eroded, and the flying is boring. You pick a path, and take what comes, hopefully after MUCH thought and investigation.

I do agree with the general concensus - a certain amount of bi*ching is OK, but past an undefined point, gets really old.

 

[SUNDOWN]

I know what you mean, but this comment reminded me of something. In many cases, civilian flying is all about "not flying". When military pilots talk, they all talk about how they try to figure out a way to get on the flying schedule more than they already do. When I talk to my airline buddies, they tell me all the ways they try to avoid having to fly. For them, "not flying" is their goal.

I think this has to do with how much civillians actually fly. We do 800 hours a year where a MIL guy may not get that in 5 years. I know many think most of that is spent in cruise but the truth is outside of the Majors many of these regional and frieght guys are doing many legs a day in bad weather, single pilot, etc.

 

[SUNDOWN]

Don't be sorry. Civilian flying is a joke compared to military flying. That is why there will always be an inseparable gulf between pure civilian background pilots and military background pilots. On the other hand, civilians don't have to write ground training programs, wear MOP gear, get anthrax shots, and watch their friends become smoking holes. You go civilian for either QOL, pay, or both, not because the flying is better. And in today's environment, while the QOL will very probably be better, the pay has certainly eroded, and the flying is boring. You pick a path, and take what comes, hopefully after MUCH thought and investigation.

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Yeah it's pretty cool how civillian guys never crash and die.... I guess we're lucky like that......Think before you type.

 

[Gorilla]

Yeah it's pretty cool how civillian guys never crash and die.... I guess we're lucky like that......Think before you type.

Uhhh, I'd say the frequency of the phenomenon is a bit different, and slightly skewed towards the tactical and helo pilots.

 

[agpilot34]

Don't be sorry. Civilian flying is a joke compared to military flying. That is why there will always be an inseparable gulf between pure civilian background pilots and military background pilots. On the other hand, civilians don't have to write ground training programs, wear MOP gear, get anthrax shots, and watch their friends become smoking holes. You go civilian for either QOL, pay, or both, not because the flying is better. And in today's environment, while the QOL will very probably be better, the pay has certainly eroded, and the flying is boring. You pick a path, and take what comes, hopefully after MUCH thought and investigation.

I do agree with the general concensus - a certain amount of bi*ching is OK, but past an undefined point, gets really old.

IF you think that all civilian flying is a "joke", maybe you need to come fly with me for a few days... that is, if you think you can handle it. You might want to bring your little blue puke bags, though. We've had SEVERAL military pilots apply with us over the past couple of years that, after going out and flying a few tight gathering systems on the line with a check pilot for a couple of days, admitted they couldnt do it. Dont mean to bust your chops, but dont lump ALL of us civi pilots together, as not ALL of us troll around all day in a bus with wings. There are still some of us that actually fly for a living, and are d@mn proud of it. By the way, I've watched a couple of friends become smoking holes when I was flying ag. Turbine Air Tractors and high tension powerlines dont mix too well.

Got to admit though, I'd LOVE to try what you guys do just ONCE!!

 

[Gorilla]

High tension powerlines don't mix well with a 4-ship escorting a strike package at 600 knots either. I'll grant you ag is a different world. I shouldn't have painted with so broad a brush.

I'll rephrase it - Civilian flying for a scheduled air carrier is a joke.

Added: Sorry guys I woke up today with a numbed brain at the thought of once again packing my crap to do a trip I've done hundreds of times - "Is the FMC programmed!!?? Uh Oh, we'd better check all the waypoints! Oh No, it's a BLEEDS OFF TAKEOFF today!!! Run the BLEEDS OFF CHECKLIST 4 times please, we need to GET IT RIGHT!"

In my dreams, I'm flying upside down again, packing heat and pulling G's. I miss it, that's all.

 

[agpilot34]

Now THAT I can agree with!

 

[SUNDOWN]

Uhhh, I'd say the frequency of the phenomenon is a bit different, and slightly skewed towards the tactical and helo pilots.

I may not know the percentage of MIL guys crashing, but I did the single pilot freight thing for quite a while and there were several fatal crashes. Unfourtuntely these do not make the papers. My point is most of us (excluding some regionals) did not start our careers in the airlines. I'll never understand this you guys's aint sh!* attitude. Any way Merry Christmas.

 

[Gorilla]

I'll never understand this you guys's aint sh!* attitude. Any way Merry Christmas.

Merry Christmas! Please note, nowhere here did I contrast the people, just the flying. If you percieve some slight, that's your issue. I'll stand by my revised statement... scheduled air carrier flying is boring compared to military flying. Why is that so outlandish? What if I said "Alaska bush flying in winter is more exciting than flying a VFR leg from PHX to Tucson in a cherokee?" Someone might still argue against that, but I doubt that the general truth of the statement can be denied.

Added: I did write this: "inseparable gulf..." This could be misconstrued easily, and I apologize for it. The "gulf" is NOT one of ability, simply experience. There is also an inseperable gulf between myself and a guy who flew night checks in the wintertime, in a sputtering single. While the guy can discuss and describe his experience, never having done it, I have a tough time envisioning the whole scene.

 

[PlaneStupid]

Whining - yes, Pu$$ies - no. Just like the military. If you are doing it for the better flying stay in get the 20 then you can get out and whine plus get your pension.

 

[SUNDOWN]

Added: I did write this: "inseparable gulf..." This could be misconstrued easily, and I apologize for it. The "gulf" is NOT one of ability, simply experience. There is also an inseperable gulf between myself and a guy who flew night checks in the wintertime, in a sputtering single. While the guy can discuss and describe his experience, never having done it, I have a tough time envisioning the whole scene.

Well they weren't singles but they were always sputtering. As I have stated before on this board...I have nothing but repect for my Military counterparts. Some are my best friends. Just wish the love flowed both ways. Maybe this sounds a bit SNAPish ( Fury....that was directed at you in a good way) Let's try not generalize. Gorilla I can't imagine wanting to fly a 72 over a Tactical Fighter (helos scare me). But for the most part it's a safe well paying gig.

 

[Huggyu2]

Sundown,
I believe it does flow both ways with most reasonable folks. I have some very good friends that are pro-pilots, and never spent a day in the military. Great folks, great pilots, and I learn from them.

 

[Fury220]

...maybe this sounds a bit SNAPish ( Fury....that was directed at you in a good way)

How about that? Learning on FI.com!

Nuthin but love both ways for you guys. Notice, I don't comment much about what you guys do. Why? Well, my knowledge base is small when it comes to your job. I respect the guys on the other side of the fence who do the same.

I think a lot of the friction here on FI.com arises when pilots (both civ AND mil) cross that line and talk out of their stinky holes on topics they know very little about.

Merry Christmas to all.

 

[Diesel]

I was thinking CAL or FEDEX are holding positions open just for him.


Enjoy the right seat if you could even get the job with that attitude.

 

[Lead Sled]

Hooker...
Yes, most civilian pilots are whiners. Haven't you heard the old joke - What's the difference between a pilot and a jet engine? A jet engine stops whining after you pull up to the ramp.

Merry Christmas all.

'Sled

 

[AdlerDriver]

I was thinking CAL or FEDEX are holding positions open just for him.


Enjoy the right seat if you could even get the job with that attitude.

Now that's a shame! Everyone was just starting to play nicely again. :crying:

 

[Fury220]

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We're all impressed.

 

[Diesel]

You're right I should have said, "your wife and daughter."

Edited: ring knocker told me i placed a apostrophe in the wrong place.