What was Airtran thinking?

[atrdriver]

Mr ATR pilot, it is much more stupid to come on here berate someone's opinion especially when it is in accord with most pilots on this thread. I think you may be better served by saying "I disagree with you"? Didn't they teach manners at ERU? With your attitude, I hope I don't see you pass by my hiring board.

Whether you like what I wrote or not, it is assinine to say that a company policy reflects badly on the pilots of that company. That's like saying that DAL's jumpseat policy reflects badly on the DAL pilots. It doesn't make them look bad, it makes the company policy look bad. Sorry if I hurt your feelings, but you need to understand the difference between something that is under the control of the pilot group and something that isn't. And I really don't know what they teach at ERU, I didn't go there, but thanks for asking.

 

[Pedro]

I think that most would agree with your statement, but that doesn't validate that either policy is where the industry standard should be.

This is just another example of management trying to make the job less appetizing to those who have standards. They hope that what's left is a bunch of pilots that have to take whatever they are fed...which won't be much at this rate.

I agree with your statement too, but the pilot who started the thread shouldn't be bashing Airtran. They are doing something better than DAL and CAL and I don't see the bashing going that way.

 

[say again]

We pilots can find everything and anything to rip each other apart !!!

Granted the policy sux, but the fact is that it's there. I'll bet my left nut that paying $25 is far better than possibly being stuck at an airport, while you could be on your way home. (I used to be a commuter and would gladly pay a measly $25 to get home!!!!)

Like everything else in this indusrty, you don't have to like it, but you do have to deal with it. For those of you who can't, may I suggest a career change.

 

[Chuck Yogourt]

My airline does take multiple jumpseaters. I had no idea that any "fee" was being charged by any airline that we had a jumpseat agreement with. So whenever I have 2 seats open and 3 jumpseaters and one of them happens to be from Airtran, guess what? YOU AIN"T GOING. I don't care what kind of negotiations you are in.

 

[Pedro]

My airline does take multiple jumpseaters. I had no idea that any "fee" was being charged by any airline that we had a jumpseat agreement with. So whenever I have 2 seats open and 3 jumpseaters and one of them happens to be from Airtran, guess what? YOU AIN"T GOING. I don't care what kind of negotiations you are in.

You go man!! We need more people with your attitude to improve this industry!!

Keep up the good work!

 

[IAHERJ]

Thanks Chuck,

Next time I need to get to MKE for some sun 'n fun on the weekend I'll keep that in mind and plan another ride.

I don't know why you and Ty insist on having this little battle regarding penis size. The rest of the pilots at both your airline and mine are just trying to do their jobs day in and day out and both of you are embarassing us.

IAHERJ

 

[Chuck Yogourt]

Thanks Chuck,

Next time I need to get to MKE for some sun 'n fun on the weekend I'll keep that in mind and plan another ride.

I don't know why you and Ty insist on having this little battle regarding penis size. The rest of the pilots at both your airline and mine are just trying to do their jobs day in and day out and both of you are embarassing us.

IAHERJ

Who said anything about Ty . I think the fact that your airline charges down right sucks and you know it. We haul a lot of you guys and you are always welcome but you need to make a change. As for Ty, he is the village idiot at your airline. Nothing I can do about that.

 

[IAHERJ]

I agree we need to make a change. We are indeed attempting to do so at this very instant. Our policy is still better than several major airlines out there today and nobody is starting threads threatening DAL pilots and their inferior jumpseat policy. Why are we targeting AirTran? Only about 10% of the second+ offline jumpseaters even get charged the fee, and the fee will be gone in the upcomming year. Give it a rest. I like your airline and always have. Never flown on them but might use them out of HOU someday soon. I hope to see you there.

IAHERJ

 

[USMC319]

Whether you like what I wrote or not, it is assinine to say that a company policy reflects badly on the pilots of that company. That's like saying that DAL's jumpseat policy reflects badly on the DAL pilots. It doesn't make them look bad, it makes the company policy look bad. Sorry if I hurt your feelings, but you need to understand the difference between something that is under the control of the pilot group and something that isn't.

ATR driver & Steeler Fan,

Please don't worry about hurting my feelings boys, my so called "thin skin" that you allege is covered with battle scars courtesy of the Marine Corps and 20 years in this business. Please be sorry for someone else.

Now then, what I mean by bad policy reflecting poorly on the pilots is simply perspective, meaning that most of our pilot groups control the jumpseat policy rather than Bob in accounting. Therefore, when a jumpseat is denied or charged for, the jumpseater is not usually cursing Bob, he is cursing the policy which is represented by the crew (because it wasn't like this before). Again, just perspective.

BTW thanks for the lecture Steeler Fan. I'll be sure to write only "smart" opinions from here on out so that I don't upset ATR and require you to defend him.

 

[Ty Webb]

I don't know why you and Ty insist on having this little battle regarding penis size. The rest of the pilots at both your airline and mine are just trying to do their jobs day in and day out and both of you are embarassing us.

IAHERJ

There's no penis contest here, it wouldn't be fair . . . Chuckie has the biggest case of E.D. this side of Bob Dole . . . . that's why he's such a fargghin' corksmoker.

And for all of you guys who are so "up in arms" about our jumpseat policy . . . I used to care about changing it, but when I read the ramblings here on this subject, it makes me realize that our negotiating efforts should probably be spent on things that will benefit our pilot group instead of fighting for something for a bunch of ingrates.

Don't worry, we'll continue to take one offline, just like DAL, AAL, NWA, and most others. . . and if someone beats you to it, we'll still offer to sell you a walk-up pass for $25., which is hardly ever collected, anyway.

 

[717capt]

Hey Chuck if any of the rumors that we hear are true that AirTran is buying Midwest you won't have to worry about denying anyone a jumpseat any more. It wont be your call to make since your ass will be stapled so far on the bottom of our seniority list that you'll be slinging gear for the guys in the new hire class that just started a few days ago..

To all others, we know that the $25.00 deal sucks.. and we are working to change it.. To some of you one here that realize that this was not the doing of the pilot group but management, thank you for noticing. As I said, we are working to get it back to the way it was.

 

[Chuck Yogourt]

Hey Chuck if any of the rumors that we hear are true that AirTran is buying Midwest you won't have to worry about denying anyone a jumpseat any more. It wont be your call to make since your ass will be stapled so far on the bottom of our seniority list that you'll be slinging gear for the guys in the new hire class that just started a few days ago..

To all others, we know that the $25.00 deal sucks.. and we are working to change it.. To some of you one here that realize that this was not the doing of the pilot group but management, thank you for noticing. As I said, we are working to get it back to the way it was.

The only rumor I hear is that Midwest has kicked your ass in MKE. As for a takeover, you can only dream of it. I would want my I.D. to say Midwest also. Then maybe you wouldn't be charging $25 a pop to some poor soul trying to go home.

 

[100LL... Again!]

You know how much in fuel it costs to haul your whiney a$$ all the way home? At LEAST $25.

 

[fletch717]

The only rumor I hear is that Midwest has kicked your ass in MKE. As for a takeover, you can only dream of it.

Yeah chuck, you sure showed us. With all that hiring and expansion you guys should have well over 400 pilots in no time at all. "We can only dream of it"
How about the first one to write a check for 50 million can dream of it. Maybe you should use your left hand to raise the gear for now, you may need the practice soon.

 

[NoPlaneNoGain]

You know I have no problem paying $25 for a ride on Airtran. I know it sucks but that is their policy and it sure beats being stuck in the airport. The real problem I have with this policy is that it is NON-REFUNDABLE if you are unable to make it on the flight. I tried to get a ride on them a few weeks ago and that is what the gate agent told me. I opted not to pay and went elsewhere. So basically, you may or may not be paying $25 for a ride home. It seems more like buying a lottery ticket!

 

[Chuck Yogourt]

The only rumor I hear is that Midwest has kicked your ass in MKE. As for a takeover, you can only dream of it.

Yeah chuck, you sure showed us. With all that hiring and expansion you guys should have well over 400 pilots in no time at all. "We can only dream of it"
How about the first one to write a check for 50 million can dream of it. Maybe you should use your left hand to raise the gear for now, you may need the practice soon.

Size doesn't matter son when you are the best. I am sure you use your left hand for other reasons that we don't need to discuss on this board nor would any of us care to hear you go into detail. Ta Ta.

 

[Chuck Yogourt]

Size doesn't matter son when you are the best. The reason you have failed in MKE is once people ride on us, they are willing to pay more for a premium product. I am sure you use your left hand for other reasons that we don't need to discuss on this board nor would any of us care to hear you go into detail about. Ta Ta.

 

[AIR2MUD]

Jumpseats are for pilots and should transcend the petty BS tribal sniping that often result.

I think the original poster stated that he would have had to pay to ride 'the jumpseat' when the actual jumpseat in the stick actuator's office was already occupied.

That's not a 'jumpseat', it's a seat in the back with everyone else...if the company requires you to pay $25 or whatever to ride it, that's just the way it is. I remember when you could ONLY ride the jumpseat(s) in the cockpit, and at some companies it was policy that if you didn't work for them you were out of luck.

 

[fletch717]

Yeah chuckles people are flocking to your airline, 23 million loss in the first two quarters. 2.21 stock price, Yep those loyal customers are just lining up to fly with you. Who could blame them? when you turn on the ole chuckie charm I'm sure you are irresistible.

 

[AIR2MUD]

My airline does take multiple jumpseaters. I had no idea that any "fee" was being charged by any airline that we had a jumpseat agreement with. So whenever I have 2 seats open and 3 jumpseaters and one of them happens to be from Airtran, guess what? YOU AIN"T GOING. I don't care what kind of negotiations you are in.

Dude, totally uncool. Take it out on a fellow pilot who is either trying to get home or go to work because his/her company has a policy put in place not by the pilot group, but by management?

So if you have 2 seats open, and two jumpseaters, one of whom is from Air Tran, THEN it's okay to take them?

As Spock would say, "That seems totally illogical captain."

 

[BSkin]

Size doesn't matter son when you are the best. I am sure you use your left hand for other reasons that we don't need to discuss on this board nor would any of us care to hear you go into detail. Ta Ta.

Chuck, there was a reasonable discussion on here, but you've brought it to your TOOL shed, you f-ing dweeb. If you have a problem, please pm me, a$$!

 

[-9Capt]

Half of you guys are complete idiots. We don't charge a dime for the jumpseat, it's free you dipsh!t.

Say this over and over until it sticks "AIRTRAN ONLY ALLOWS 1 (ONE) JUMPSEATER".

If you aren't the first one you have the option of buying a $25 non-rev ticket. You are no longer considered a "jumpseater" you are now a "pass rider".

Does the policy suck, you bet. Now get over it.

 

[gt1900]

UMMMM Chuck...Hate to get involved in this but don't be so arrogant. Of course Midwest is going win a battle of MKE...They should, its your only hub (btw...how much money has Midwest made in the last 3 years?)! Your really gonna eat your words if and when AT takes you over. A little humility goes a long way, you obviously haven't learned that in all your 15000 plus hours of flight time. If AT does take you over, there is a good chance you won't be comming. I hear they only want your a/c and gates. But hey, you will probably get a preferential interview, so smile, you may still have a job!!!

 

[sluminginpit]

This discusion is as useless as this career! Keep charging for the jumpseat Airtran, before you know it it will cost a $100 per seat, no more free rides. And Ty, by the way, we all have jumpseats and we all carry one another. Who would be more impacted, if AT banned individual carriers or if all carriers banned AT. Stop talking so much $hit, things change fast in this industry and you may be looking for a job someday.

 

[Ty Webb]

Who would be more impacted, if AT banned individual carriers or if all carriers banned AT.

Well, that's easy. Chuckie would be most impacted, since it's clear he already has an impaction going on . . . a cranio-rectal impaction . . . . any of you guys with a medical background know what I'm talking about here . . . .

Stop talking so much $hit, things change fast in this industry and you may be looking for a job someday.

Sorry, Charley . . . . if I were to be looking for a job tomorrow, it wouldn't be at the bottom of another airline seniority list, that's for sure. This is my one go-round, and when the job isn't worth doing anymore, I won't be doing it.

But it looks good on you, though . . .


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[Vwipe]

gotta put my 2 cents in...

I carry an ID90 that cost me $63 one way. I would gladly pay $25 to get a seat if someone else got the first js. Management or not we still have to play by their rules. They make 'em

Hey Tubel, you're a real nimrod, why don't you stick to flyin small stuff.

 

[md83drvr]

Okay guys. Its been said over and over. No one likes the AirTran policy. But its not the pilots that made it. What ever happend to treating others the way you want to be treated? I remember when Delta and others couldn't even offer an offline jumpseat. In thoes days most airlines would still carry Delta pilots, why? because it was the proffesional thing to do.

Both Ty and Chuckie need to grown up. Act like the proffesionals you think you are and stop using the jumpseat as a polictical statment.

Before 9/11 almost all airlines only carried the number of jumpseaters equal to the number of jumpseats on the aircraft.

I have been left at the gate by almost every airline at least once in my carrer, before most changed to unlimited. AirTran at least offers an alternative to getting home.

Why hasn't anyone ever raise a fuss over US, TWA, UAL, AA, DAL, CAL, NWA, etc, and thier policy of only allowing 1 jumpseater? (I know some have changed to unlimited) Or is it just an attack on AirTran?

 

[FNG_that's me]

To answer the orig. question, "What was Airtran thinking?"

They were thinking, "Hey, this is a great way to get the pilots all ticked off at each other, so that we can break them down and treat them even worse."

Looks to me like it's working.

 

[fletch717]

To answer the orig. question, "What was Airtran thinking?"

They were thinking, "Hey, this is a great way to get the pilots all ticked off at each other, so that we can break them down and treat them even worse."

Looks to me like it's working.

This is based on your vast experience in the airline business?

 

[Pilotbob3]

Hey, Fr8 MB, please tell us all about your current employer's jumpseat policy, and how many 121 pilots are able to take advantage of it, and while you're at it, tell us all about your tireless efforts to make sure that your company offers a viable jumpseat opportunity to the rest of us that haul your ungrateful carcass around.


Yeah, that's what I thought.

don't have time to read the other 5 pages....but c'mon Ty, don't get so defensive about "your" airline. as far as i know every FL pilot ive met hates that policy and wishes it would go away. its not your fault its there...or is it? lol.........

N E way....ill tell you about my current employers jumpseat policy....unlimited FREE cabin jumpseats for OAL pilots and FA's. plus 2 additional FA jumpseats available to pilots and FA's....plus 2 cockpit jumpseats available to CASS members. no tireless efforts since policy already in place when i got here. ps..and no you don't have to clean the cabin, that has been taken care of.

i have used FL many times and rarely have had to pay the fee. and i don't mind doing it if i have to.......id rather pay than be stuck in the airport for hours. i hope you guys go CASS soon....any news on that?