what the hell "sapa"

[Gr82Aviate]

Maybe they are free because they are worthless. And anyone who honestly doesn't believe that ALPA hasn't helped at ASA is truly either someone who has no idea what has happened there, or is simply an idiot.

In Newwoman's case it's both of the above!

 

[Nightrain_080]

So here's what I'm wondering. If/when the court rules that SAPA is illegal, isn't the next logical step for someone (OC or some other disaffected pilot)to file a class action lawsuit for back pay?

Think about it, if the court rules against the existence of SAPA then isn't it basically saying management has been negotiating with ITSELF all of these years rather than negotiating with the pilots.

High Altitude Extortion.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Lets face it guys the ride is over. We pilots have been exposed for what we really are. Glorified button pushers and we simply do not command the pay recieved in the past. The NMB is rightfully aware of this. If you want job security go work for the government. We all knew what we were getting into when we signed up for this job!!

I've never in my life seen anyone consistently sell himself short as you seem to like to do. SKW guys, please tell me this guy isn't actually a line pilot. Please tell me he's either a 14 year old with nothing better to do or a member of your management team.........

You may have gotten into this job with low expectations, but some of us who have been around for a while feel differently. You may not appreciate the responsibility that comes with this job, but I assure you that your Captains do. You may feel adequately compensated for your 385 hours away from base a month, but I assure you that your coworkers who have families at home do not. You simply have not been in this industry long enough to know what you as a professional "button pusher" are worth. When you are a little bit older, perhaps you will be able to appreciate the fact that the skill set you are paid for is wisdom and judgement rather than simply pushing buttons. When you are a little bit older, perhaps you will realize that leaving a wife and a child at home for four days a week isn't all that easy. When you are a little bit older, perhaps you will realize that you deserve to be fairly compensated for such things. How many nights a month do Jerry and Brad spend away from their families? How often do they make operational decisions that directly affect the safety of their customers? Yet you continue to be willing to work for less than you are worth simply to line their pockets.

Until you have matured enough to have a little perspective, you really are just a "glorified button pusher." I just hope, for your passengers' sake, you never find yourself in a command position until you truly understand what doing this job well is all about.

 

[HelloNewman]

Maybe they are free because they are worthless. And anyone who honestly doesn't believe that ALPA hasn't helped at ASA is truly either someone who has no idea what has happened there, or is simply an idiot.

Free is free and we are still doing pretty darn well as far as pay goes. How has ALPA helped ASA in the last 5 years? NO NEW CONTRACT? STILL PAYING 2% for the crappy 50 seater/atr pay scales. Not even making as much as we make at skywest with the 70 seat rates. NEXT!!

 

[HelloNewman]

I've never in my life seen anyone consistently sell himself short as you seem to like to do. SKW guys, please tell me this guy isn't actually a line pilot. Please tell me he's either a 14 year old with nothing better to do or a member of your management team.........

You may have gotten into this job with low expectations, but some of us who have been around for a while feel differently. You may not appreciate the responsibility that comes with this job, but I assure you that your Captains do. You may feel adequately compensated for your 385 hours away from base a month, but I assure you that your coworkers who have families at home do not. You simply have not been in this industry long enough to know what you as a professional "button pusher" are worth. When you are a little bit older, perhaps you will be able to appreciate the fact that the skill set you are paid for is wisdom and judgement rather than simply pushing buttons. When you are a little bit older, perhaps you will realize that leaving a wife and a child at home for four days a week isn't all that easy. When you are a little bit older, perhaps you will realize that you deserve to be fairly compensated for such things. How many nights a month do Jerry and Brad spend away from their families? How often do they make operational decisions that directly affect the safety of their customers? Yet you continue to be willing to work for less than you are worth simply to line their pockets.

Until you have matured enough to have a little perspective, you really are just a "glorified button pusher." I just hope, for your passengers' sake, you never find yourself in a command position until you truly understand what doing this job well is all about.

Perspective is perspective. We still do nothing but push buttons and wait for something to go wrong. Honestly how often does something go terribly wrong?? BTW an engine failure doesn't count. We are trained to turn the autopilot on and push buttons after 600 feet. I am a line pilot out in chicago, find people who have flown with me. I am not afraid to let people I fly with know who I am and what I am about.

BTW my TAFB doesnt even come close to the 385 hrs that you claim. Another perfect example of union over stating the facts. Prove to me that we are more important that button pushers. The autopilot comes on and then we focus on other things until a bell goes off which is very rare. I make good money for what i do which is absolutely nothing but listen to atc, make good landings and push buttons.

 

[Nightrain_080]

MN is a sort-of 'trojan horse' for the ALPA drive, albeit a poorly disguised one. Anyone who has talked to him should have known that before voting for him. I like him a lot, but I knew that if elected his agenda was to install ALPA by whatever means he could. We differ in what we feel best serves this pilot group.

This should serve as a reminder that they don't have the support to just hold the stupid vote and move on with things. This is a way to 'end around' the process by de-certifying SAPA.

just hold the vote! then we can move beyond this nonsense. and if ALPA is voted in, we can start our clock ticking away the years until anything changes.

de-certify SAPA....LOL now that is comedy. No pilot at SkyWest ever certified SAPA. SAPA exists because management approved it.

A lot of mass producing home builders have on-site real estate professionals put in place at their model homes to sell and show the homes. They are supposed to get you the best deal on a home. They are there for you.....remember they are your agent. Although they work for the home builder too. Caught between a rock and a hard place they do what they can for you but keeping things tight for the builder. After years of success and a happy home builder with pissed off home buyers the agents are set. Well Sapa is exactly the same at skywest. They are not 100% behind the pilots. They are not even close. At best 49%. M.N. has shown us his cards. He has more character then all of the E.B. combined. Who cares if your against ALPA. You still can't lie in bed with SAPA and expect they are 100% behind our pilots. Time to get rid of SAPA and the bloody worthless cry baby executive board. )bored(
Look at how the rest of silent Sapa comes to life when their 105 hours of azz sitting time is in jeopardy. How about get off your corn holes when it's time to confront uncle rico for either a real pay raise or free helicopter lessons for all of us.

 

[Nightrain_080]

I've never in my life seen anyone consistently sell himself short as you seem to like to do. SKW guys, please tell me this guy isn't actually a line pilot. Please tell me he's either a 14 year old with nothing better to do or a member of your management team.........

You may have gotten into this job with low expectations, but some of us who have been around for a while feel differently. You may not appreciate the responsibility that comes with this job, but I assure you that your Captains do. You may feel adequately compensated for your 385 hours away from base a month, but I assure you that your coworkers who have families at home do not. You simply have not been in this industry long enough to know what you as a professional "button pusher" are worth. When you are a little bit older, perhaps you will be able to appreciate the fact that the skill set you are paid for is wisdom and judgement rather than simply pushing buttons. When you are a little bit older, perhaps you will realize that leaving a wife and a child at home for four days a week isn't all that easy. When you are a little bit older, perhaps you will realize that you deserve to be fairly compensated for such things. How many nights a month do Jerry and Brad spend away from their families? How often do they make operational decisions that directly affect the safety of their customers? Yet you continue to be willing to work for less than you are worth simply to line their pockets.

Until you have matured enough to have a little perspective, you really are just a "glorified button pusher." I just hope, for your passengers' sake, you never find yourself in a command position until you truly understand what doing this job well is all about.

Yeah I totally agree. Excellent points. It's obvious that he as issues with authority and respecting his elders. This attitude of "glorified button pusher" shows his true colors. Not much of a soul. Usually these types get weeded out sooner or later. He would also be the one to run instead of stay and fight.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

de-certify SAPA....LOL now that is comedy. No pilot at SkyWest ever certified SAPA. SAPA exists because management approved it.

A lot of mass producing home builders have on-site real estate professionals put in place at their model homes to sell and show the homes. They are supposed to get you the best deal on a home. They are there for you.....remember they are your agent. Although they work for the home builder too. Caught between a rock and a hard place they do what they can for you but keeping things tight for the builder. After years of success and a happy home builder with pissed off home buyers the agents are set. Well Sapa is exactly the same at skywest. They are not 100% behind the pilots. They are not even close. At best 49%. M.N. has shown us his cards. He has more character then all of the E.B. combined. Who cares if your against ALPA. You still can't lie in bed with SAPA and expect they are 100% behind our pilots. Time to get rid of SAPA and the bloody worthless cry baby executive board. )bored(
Look at how the rest of silent Sapa comes to life when their 105 hours of azz sitting time is in jeopardy. How about get off your corn holes when it's time to confront uncle rico for either a real pay raise or free helicopter lessons for all of us.

Well spoken!

 

[HelloNewman]

Yeah I totally agree. Excellent points. It's obvious that he as issues with authority and respecting his elders. This attitude of "glorified button pusher" shows his true colors. Not much of a soul. Usually these types get weeded out sooner or later. He would also be the one to run instead of stay and fight.

Just because someone is an old fart doesn't mean they are worth listening to! Weeded out? HA! not hardly. I know how to play the game and tell interviewers what they want to hear. In fact I have an interview coming up at a major airline that does not require turbine PIC time. I will not say where so people do not try and sabotage me simply because of my anti-union beliefs. Trust me, the game is easy to play. You simply tell the interviewers what they want to hear.

 

[Nightrain_080]

Good riddance. At least you'll probably won't be a captain for 5 or more years. Our PIC prayers are answered. Just let us know how allegiant airlines treats their employees.

 

[inthegoo]

Honestly how often does something go terribly wrong??

F***ING MORON!

 

[inthegoo]

Newman,

I am also ORD based, look me up I am #12418
please share your real identity with me so I can laugh at you in the crew lounge when I see you

 

[Tarzan]

Newman,

I am also ORD based, look me up I am #12418
please share your real identity with me so I can laugh at you in the crew lounge when I see you

You know good and well he doesn't have the sand to claim his identity here or in the crew room. I applaud the fact that you stand behind what you type here.

 

[Ben Dover]

coup d'état

The OC couldn't have asked for a better gift than the coup d'état presently underway within SAPA. Even if Mark is overthrown in this insurrection, the pilots at large have gotten the message.

Who would have ever guessed that SAPA would self-destruct in such a glorious manner!

 

[duck_killer]

"major airilne": So what do you do when your not flying?

Newman: Well, I like to troll the internet flight forums and flame as many union posts as possible. I like this because it affords me the anonymity to talk as much crap as possible about the sacrifices of the profession and the professionals in it. On the surface this might seem self deprecating but we as pilots kinda suck anyway.Usually i don't like to hang out with friends, i mean with the advent of X box live and the headset for halo there really is no need, I never have to leave my apartment!

 

[Ski Bum]

Question: What is the difference between SAPA and ALPA?

Answer: SAPA's services are free,

1. What services? Do they have Financial Analysts? Do they provide legal protections? Do they have an aeromedical board? Do they lobby on our behalf in DC? Do they back a legally binding contract? Do they negotiate with our own management in SGU on our behalf? NOOOOPPPPE. That is the reason this thread got started. SAPA corruption exposed.

2. Define "free?" Free to me isn't having no increase in pay or COLA. To me that is actually costing me a lot more than 2% over the next few years of our "pay package."

ALPA screws you out of 2% every month and still doesn't do anything about it. look at ASA. Five years and counting. Tick Tick Tick.

ASA has taken a while in getting a new agreement that is for sure, but they are following the avenues available to them and negotiating in the worst possible time in our industry's history. Bottom line is that they will have a new contract and it will be a vast improvement over their old one.

We pilots have been exposed for what we really are. Glorified button pushers and we simply do not command the pay recieved in the past.

I do not share in the self deprecation of my chosen profession, but you are entitled to your opinion. I on the other hand believe that professional pilots are highly skilled and utilize excellent judgement on a daily basis to provide the safest form of transportation in the world.

BTW ALPA blowhards talk about how the union can get your job back. DD got a much sweeter deal with his wrongful termination lawsuit. He will make millions and not have to go back to flying the line. That is a much better reward than getting your job back only to waste 2% of your check every month to a corrupt organization.

I believe I asked you to pick up the phone and call DD in a previous thread and see if he would have rather avoided the entire mess, or gotten his settlement and lost his job. It doesn't seem like you did that because you continue to say he got a better deal getting fired. I guess that goes back to self respect and the fact that you can't quite understand someone championing principal over money.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Just because someone is an old fart doesn't mean they are worth listening to! Weeded out? HA! not hardly. I know how to play the game and tell interviewers what they want to hear. In fact I have an interview coming up at a major airline that does not require turbine PIC time. I will not say where so people do not try and sabotage me simply because of my anti-union beliefs. Trust me, the game is easy to play. You simply tell the interviewers what they want to hear.

Wellll,
Neowoman, your INTERVIEW at a major airline, yeah great, the sooner you get the fukk away from SKYW the better. Unless you are going to virgin, or JB you are gonna be union. Hows the 2% gonna sit with you? You are a pathetic POS and I hope you spew your shiit prior to your sim ride, then the union examiner will see your true colors, making his job of failing a "button pusher" that much easier. You are everything that is wrong with this profession, why don't you steal more chains than you can swim with?
I keep flashing back to a recent Soprano's episode where AJ was sitting on the diving board with a cinder block tied to his leg contemplating a quick jump and swim with the plastic bag over his head. I visualize that scenario for you. I wish all the worst that this industry has to offer for you a quick failure of the sim portion and quiet termination and back to blowing dogs for a living!
Die a long and painfull death!
PBR

 

[bmpilot2003]

Newman,

I am also ORD based, look me up I am #12418
please share your real identity with me so I can laugh at you in the crew lounge when I see you

Come on Newman own up!

 

[pookie]

I also want to know who Newman is? I have buddies at SkyWest and they are itching to find out who the company tool is.

Is DD the guy that sued Skywest when he called in fatigue? Anyone know where i can find out the details of the settlement.

 

[bender]

I guessed I've been duped then. I voted Mark in as SAPA president, not as a contributor to its demise.

 

[Grey Ghost]

You guys did it to yourselves!

 

[Gr82Aviate]

I guessed I've been duped then. I voted Mark in as SAPA president, not as a contributor to its demise.

You seem confused?! MN has nothing to do with its demise...you might want to give that credit to the other members who have been representing management, instead of the pilots here that elected them. You still haven't been able to figure that out????

 

[vtech]

Is DD the guy that sued Skywest when he called in fatigue? Anyone know where i can find out the details of the settlement.

There has been no "settlement." DD decorated some room close the the SLC Chief Pilot's office with some F$%& TF graffiti. TF was the Chief Pilot in SLC at the time. DD wouldn't fess up to it and took the Donald Trump trip. He's out on the back nine right now with O.J. O.J.'s looking for the real killer and DD is looking for who really wrote that stuff on the wall. There hasn't been a "settlement." DD presented his case a long time ago to a judge or somebody and is waiting to hear. Don't hold your breath waiting for DD getting his job back or a big chunk of change.

 

[Mookie]

Let Newman go to CAL (carrier which does not require PIC time) and he can find a bunch of SCABS to hang out with on his days off. I hope he gets the job, and I have a few buds at CAL that I'm sure would love to talk to him once/if he gets there.

Mookie

 

[pipi]

Button pushers?

We pilots have been exposed for what we really are. Glorified button pushers and we simply do not command the pay recieved in the past.

If you really think that's all you are, then you do not deserve to be a professional pilot. You clearly do not understand the responsibility that comes with your job description. Being an airline pilot means making hundreds of decisions on a daily basis. Some decisions are easy. The day will come when you have to make a quick, tough decision, after the shhitt has hit the fan, and you won't be able to handle it because all you are is a button pusher. I would never put my family on your airplane. You do not deserve your button pusher job. You do not even deserve your pilot certificate. You are a shame to the entire profession.

 

[Nightrain_080]

Wake Up

I guessed I've been duped then. I voted Mark in as SAPA president, not as a contributor to its demise.

The only duping going on has been done by the two past Sapa presidents Dave L. and Dave A. Pay package, PBS, forced flying still going on with the 700/900, cancellation pay (57 only then no more). Talk about bending over and being duped.
The rest of the blowhards that come out of the cracks when things don't go their way. (see sapa management lapdogs)
We see what they post and how eloquently they talk about Mark N. They are just jealous because they don't have the stones that Mark has had in his short career as President. Cry us a river about sapa going away. We never even knew they were here, get real.

 

[JD2003]

CoAlpha,

Is it true that a sloth only leaves the tree once a year in order to eliminate its own biological waste? Tell me, how does a sloth cope with such minimal metabolic energy?

I am curious.

 

[DX Rick]

I wish all the worst that this industry has to offer for you a quick failure of the sim portion and quiet termination and back to blowing dogs for a living!

PBR

There you go again.
You have some oral fixation with male body parts?

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

You know good and well he doesn't have the sand to claim his identity here or in the crew room. I applaud the fact that you stand behind what you type here.

He's not in ORD, he's in SGU. If I'm wrong I hope he does get hired elsewhere. And if it's an ALPA carrier he will proudly stand up and pledge his everlasting allegiance to the union. He will also immediately begin spewing bilk about how regionals are ruining the proffession. Please newman identify yourself on your way out the door..

 

[PBRstreetgang]

There you go again.
You have some oral fixation with male body parts?

That was neowoman's prior job, I thought you knew that.
PBR