What has ALPA done for me lately?

[flygirlqt]

hey "QT.."

Just wondering....If you were employed as one of the "apologists",would you still be complaining about the "absurd salary and benefit packages", or would they somehow now be justified? I'm going to assume that you are an ALPA member. If so, and if the salaries that these folks receive seems to be such a huge sticking point with you,as maybe it should be;then did you take the time to submit a resolution at your last LEC meeting calling for a complete overhaul of the ALPA National salary structure? Or is it easier just to fit in with "the boys" by spouting off on an absolutley useless webboard like FI.com and not doing anything else about the matter? Just wondering.......

PHXFLYR

I am happy that you are satisfied with what your dues are paying for. Yes I am an ALPA member, as was my Father and my Grandfather.

No, I would not accept such an outrageous salary, especially when the membership has suffered under such draconian pay cuts and loss and theft of retirements. There is something very disturbing when you have secretaries making thousands more than Regional Captains. Or, the President (whom by the way stated he would not accept one dollar more than his CAL salary) making 4 to 5 times his highest paid constituents.

I have also been around ALPA long enough to know that spending my time introducing a resolution regarding this travesty has just as much chances of actually fixing it as is my desire to blow you.

 

[ualdriver]

It is the former TWA pilots position that ALPA as bargaining agent "caused harm" by their actionable failure to materially and financially represent the TWA pilots while conducting negotiations with the APA.

Honestly, I'm not trying to pick a fight, but what were examples in a TWA pilot's eyes, where ALPA failed to materially and financially represent the group?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I am happy that you are satisfied with what your dues are paying for. Yes I am an ALPA member, as was my Father and my Grandfather.

What did trhey tell you about your responsibilities as an ALPA member?

No, I would not accept such an outrageous salary,

but yet you thought it was acceptable when others were saying... that UAL2000 and DAL2001 were outgragous... you felt those pilots should have taken cuts..

especially when the membership has suffered under such draconian pay cuts and loss and theft of retirements.

And how was it the staffers fault... expecially when the pilots agreed via free will to those paycuts.

There is something very disturbing when you have secretaries making thousands more than Regional Captains.

Perhaps... what is the cost of living in NOVA?

Or, the President (whom by the way stated he would not accept one dollar more than his CAL salary) making 4 to 5 times his highest paid constituents.

WRONG! that is not what he said... he said he would accept any pay structure the BOD agreed upon...

I have also been around ALPA long enough to know that spending my time introducing a resolution regarding this travesty has just as much chances of actually fixing it as is my desire to blow you.

Cute... maybe your resolution doesn't pass the sniff test amongts cooler heads in a democratic group.

You can fret that things that you do not or cannot easily control are the big problems in your life or you can (wo)man up and understand what you can control and work to effect change.

The choice and career are yours...

 

[Vne]

Honestly, I'm not trying to pick a fight, but what were examples in a TWA pilot's eyes, where ALPA failed to materially and financially represent the group?

Honestly I'm not going to say anything specific about the case . The facts and evidence will be presented in open court. I think ALPA has done a disservice to the union movement by their actions. You and I will just have to wait for the legal process to determine if the court feels that is so.

 

[ualdriver]

Honestly I'm not going to say anything specific about the case . The facts and evidence will be presented in open court. I think ALPA has done a disservice to the union movement by their actions. You and I will just have to wait for the legal process to determine if the court feels that is so.

So it's a secret? I knew the TWA guys were mad considering the circumstances, but when someone posted above that ALPA did something "dishonorable," I thought the facts of such action would be pretty easy to list?

 

[Occam's Razor]

Interesting that again I have been told that my expectations were not valid.

Of course they were valid! Just like your filed destination is always valid. But, as any professional pilot knows, sometimes you gotta be prepared to deal with Plan B.

I think you're just bitter. I could be wrong, though. (I'm not...but I could be)

The issue is who or what is to blame for your failed (but valid) expectations.

You've chosen ALPA. Easy target, cuz ALPA's mistakes have been committed by...YIKES!...the guys at your very airline!

Yet your spiffy NEW UNION will draw pilots from a different demographic. They'll be totally mistake-proof, with a guileless sang-froid that soothes all, fixes all, and makes mounds of julienne fries.

The only expectation I have stated was that I expected my union to represent my interests with honor and integrity.

Try this: Delete the word "union" and replace it with "airline brothers right here on my property"...then you'll have an accurate rant going.

You cite "honor" instead of decisions. Not to steal too many billable hours from your therapist...but why do you say that?

In fact the sad thing is it doesn't appear that you even see the need for change within alpa.

Ha! That's a good one! If you want to start a thread about all of the things ALPA needs to fix...let's do it. I suspect my list of needful things is longer than yours. ALPA has a lot of flaws and warts, and I would join you, arm-in-arm, if I believed an in-house alternative, drawing from the same demographic and facing the same issues, could do any better.

But unlike you, I'm not driven by unquenchable anger.

 

[PHXFLYR]

I am happy that you are satisfied with what your dues are paying for. Yes I am an ALPA member, as was my Father and my Grandfather.

No, I would not accept such an outrageous salary, especially when the membership has suffered under such draconian pay cuts and loss and theft of retirements. There is something very disturbing when you have secretaries making thousands more than Regional Captains. Or, the President (whom by the way stated he would not accept one dollar more than his CAL salary) making 4 to 5 times his highest paid constituents.

I have also been around ALPA long enough to know that spending my time introducing a resolution regarding this travesty has just as much chances of actually fixing it as is my desire to blow you.

Hey QT..

Do you french kiss your girlfriend with that mouth?


Just wondering.....

PHXFLYR

 

[Occam's Razor]

I have also been around ALPA long enough to know that spending my time introducing a resolution regarding this travesty has just as much chances of actually fixing it as is my desire to blow you.

What's this?...a Republican Senator blog?

 

[ironspud]

So it's a secret? I knew the TWA guys were mad considering the circumstances, but when someone posted above that ALPA did something "dishonorable," I thought the facts of such action would be pretty easy to list?

See guys? This is the guy who was "not going to pick a fight". We have our own private venue for our discussions and need to stay away from this kind of flaming and attempts to suck us into a verbal discussion about the TWA lawsuit. Discussion with outsiders is pointless and may be hurtful to our cause. We know how it's progressing and have a current slate of meetings with our lawyers scheduled. Lets keep our mouths quiet on external venues such as this, and let these good folks discover the outcome when it is ruled and announced.

 

[ualdriver]

See guys? This is the guy who was "not going to pick a fight". We have our own private venue for our discussions and need to stay away from this kind of flaming and attempts to suck us into a verbal discussion about the TWA lawsuit. Discussion with outsiders is pointless and may be hurtful to our cause. We know how it's progressing and have a current slate of meetings with our lawyers scheduled. Lets keep our mouths quiet on external venues such as this, and let these good folks discover the outcome when it is ruled and announced.

Actually, I'm not trying to pick a fight. I just want to know what ALPA did that was so "dishonorable" or could be perceived as dishonorable.

If you have information that you can't disclose publicly, fine. Just say so. I assume that since the guy that posted above said that ALPA did "dishonorable" things that it was open to discussion or otherwise he wouldn't have brought it up. Sorry I asked.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The TWA guys raised the [emotional] issue in the first place... if you guys don't want to talk about it.....then don't talk about it....

 

[Vne]

WE talk in federal court.
EOM

 

[ironspud]

The TWA guys raised the [emotional] issue in the first place... if you guys don't want to talk about it.....then don't talk about it....

You raise a good point. Us "TWA guys" should just STFU on this and other "external" forums about this.

 

[ualdriver]

You raise a good point. Us "TWA guys" should just STFU on this and other "external" forums about this.

Great.....Talk in your internal forums.

Rez, do you know why the TWA guys are suing ALPA? Enlighten me as I am not 100% familiar with the matter.......I'm pretty familiar with the timeline as it is described in the complaint and I skimmed the actual complaint, but I'm not understanding the TWA pilot point of view because I don't know what it is. Thanks!

 

[PCL_128]

Rez, do you know why the TWA guys are suing ALPA? Enlighten me as I am not 100% familiar with the matter.......I'm pretty familiar with the timeline as it is described in the complaint and I skimmed the actual complaint, but I'm not understanding the TWA pilot point of view because I don't know what it is. Thanks!

The basic allegation is that ALPA didn't properly represent the TWA pilots during the integration because they were trying too woo the APA pilots into coming back to ALPA.