What are the chances of AA hiring again?

[accinelli]

AA did the same thing a couple of summers ago on DFW-HNL.... not only did they flight plan at .82, they flight planned at something like FL250!! All this to keep from having an FB ("eater" in TWAspeak.) Eventually that came to a halt as well.

Cobra, as far as what we do on super long haul, it is one CA and 3 FOs. DFW-Beijing would be the same, I suspect. I thought you NWA guys had 2 CAs and 2 FOs?

What's wrong with a little creative planning?

 

[AA717driver]

accinelli--Are you an AMR management pilot? Or, did Lowcur drop another $10 to get a new screen name?

I do Pt. 91 longhaul now to 11 hours w/o a relief pilot. It's not safe. We'll do India/China/BKK/SIN with a third pilot and you still get punchy after being up 24 hours (including the 4-6 hours in the "crew rest").

You need flat rest (a FC seat doesn't cut it) isolated from the main cabin and FA intrusions for long periods at a time (6 hours plus) at a minimum.

I've you've done these types of long-haul and you feel great after a couple hours of rest in a FC seat, I commend you. I'm just the product of inferior genes, I guess. TC

 

[ils2minimums]

accinelli--Are you an AMR management pilot? Or, did Lowcur drop another $10 to get a new screen name? TC

No TC, this guy is not a pilot for AA, nor anyone else for that matter... He is a pilot-hating Northwest Airlines flight attendant who likes to "play" pilot here on FI. I wasted a few minutes reading some of his posts a while back after reading a comment he made in another thread... I feel dumber for having done so.

 

[accinelli]

No TC, this guy is not a pilot for AA, nor anyone else for that matter... He is a pilot-hating Northwest Airlines flight attendant who likes to "play" pilot here on FI. I wasted a few minutes reading some of his posts a while back after reading a comment he made in another thread... I feel dumber for having done so.

You feel dumber as reality has manifested itself and is finally coming out. The pilots, wannabes and jackasses on this board (especially in the majors section) just cannot handle that one of their own would have a difference of opinion.

 

[AA717driver]

Thanks, ils2. TC

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Ass,

So are you a fa, low level mgmt, or a pilot (which I doubt unless you are just trolling these boards to stir up trouble). It has to be pretty obvious that no one agrees with you on any topic I have seen so far. My guess is low level mgmt. who was always obscenely jealous of pilots pay and work conditions, but was too lazy or unqualified to become a pilot yourself.

 

[ils2minimums]

You feel dumber as reality has manifested itself and is finally coming out. The pilots, wannabes and jackasses on this board (especially in the majors section) just cannot handle that one of their own would have a difference of opinion.

No, I feel dumber for having sat in front of the computer and wasted valuable minutes of my life going back and reviewing some of the tripe you dole out here. You are not an airline pilot, you are a flight attendant who is quite envious of pilots, and you think you deserve pilot money and work rules because you work "harder" than us... You revel in fact that pilots have taken a financial hit and you think we are still overpaid. Well, you're entitled to your opinion. I just think you'd get a modicum of respect here if you'd just shoot straight instead of pretending to be something you're not...

 

[C-150ETOPS]

What's wrong with a little creative planning?

accinelli,

You claim you are one of us (pilot), yet you make a statement like the one above?

As a current type rated 767 pilot, AA's flight planning that flight at FL260 wasn't creative, it was irresponsible and would have been criminally negligent if serious injuries had occurred from hitting a mountain wave at 320 KIAS.
There is also the factor of increased fatigue due to the increased air noise in the cockpit.

Don't let me slow you down, you have every right to continue on proving yourself as a retard.

 

[Draginass]

So basically you'd risk losing the China route to another airline. And then you'll whine about AA not recalling fast enough pilots.

The company can come to an agreement on the new China routes anytime they want. It's not about just this particular route. It's about setting a precident. They know this. The APA knows this. If Arpey wants to continue to antagonize and insult his workforce, there's not much the workers can to about it. But don't expect them to prostrate themselves before management's alter of pain.

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

I was on property when that happened...

AA did the same thing a couple of summers ago on DFW-HNL.... not only did they flight plan at .82, they flight planned at something like FL250!! All this to keep from having an FB ("eater" in TWAspeak.) Eventually that came to a halt as well.

Cobra, as far as what we do on super long haul, it is one CA and 3 FOs. DFW-Beijing would be the same, I suspect. I thought you NWA guys had 2 CAs and 2 FOs?

.....I heard the CP delivered the flight plan to the Captain of that flight at the gate. That is a pretty strong incentive to fly the plane the way you are told.

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

Leonardo Dicaprio???...

No TC, this guy is not a pilot for AA, nor anyone else for that matter... He is a pilot-hating Northwest Airlines flight attendant who likes to "play" pilot here on FI. I wasted a few minutes reading some of his posts a while back after reading a comment he made in another thread... I feel dumber for having done so.

...who let him on the jumpseat, again!

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

Recall and hiring, just a guess...

I think at least 1/3 or more will bypass, at least at first. With 3 years to bypass after the most junior of almost 3000 pilots is recalled, that could be another 10 years. AA would have to start hiring off the street. Then after the 3years, or something in between, some more furloughees will accept recall with better relative senoirity than those hired off the street. Much like the AE flow through. However, the longer a pilot is off property, hopefully the better the position he/she is in at the current job. It may not be worth coming back at that point. I imagine it will boil down to the retirement and if you think it will not change and will be there when the individual pilot will be ready for retirement.

STL: was always a profitable hub for TWA. With DFW, ORD, and STL, the weather was usually good at one or two of those hubs for re-routing. At the time of the aqusition, DFW and ORD were stretched to the limits as far as capacity goes. After 9/11, demand dropped 20% - 30%. Total flights are still below 9/11 levels, but making come back with a different allocation. Remember the government limiting the AA and UA number of departures and the times when they left?

DFW-guy: don't plan a career based on what one airline might do. CAL would be a good choice if international is really what you would like to do. HOU wouldn't take that long to get, but they are stronger and more junior for the international out of EWR. Even if you got to AA, international out of DFW is very senior. Netjets or another fractional or OMNI might fit the bill for you.

 

[glasspilot1]

"Gas guzzling and noisy, the MD80 is the aging, and seemly indestructible jalopy of the skies."

Amazing how things change! Just a few years ago the MD-80 was the fuel efficient replacement for the "Gas guzzling and noisy jalopy, the Boeing 727"!

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

To quote the "Dude".....

Amazing how things change! Just a few years ago the MD-80 was the fuel efficient replacement for the "Gas guzzling and noisy jalopy, the Boeing 727"!

(Dude to the reporter that wrote the quote) "Like, that's just like your opinion, man!"

 

[accinelli]

Ass,

So are you a fa, low level mgmt, or a pilot (which I doubt unless you are just trolling these boards to stir up trouble). It has to be pretty obvious that no one agrees with you on any topic I have seen so far. My guess is low level mgmt. who was always obscenely jealous of pilots pay and work conditions, but was too lazy or unqualified to become a pilot yourself.

FA, low level mgmt or a pilot. What a great guess! Why don't you quit whining and start doing something productive -- which in your case would be milking block times and walking out on flights and then complaining about the zero open time contract that you voted for!!

 

[accinelli]

The company can come to an agreement on the new China routes anytime they want. It's not about just this particular route. It's about setting a precident. They know this. The APA knows this. If Arpey wants to continue to antagonize and insult his workforce, there's not much the workers can to about it. But don't expect them to prostrate themselves before management's alter of pain.

The company has a lot less to lose than the pilots if the Route goes to another carrier. Arpey will do well either way. He along with many others have the option of jumping ship anytime and most likely get a better and higher paying gig -- a luxury that the seniority system does not give to most of the pilots.

Do you get it now???