West pilots to be "strikebreakers."

[Ocity]

That being said, why should the east pilots recieve a larger stake in this new company than the West pilots, if we are assuming it was a mutually beneficial merger????????????


Fast

Because the East thinks the West is lucky to share the same airspace...even though the West made their payroll and saved each and every single one of them from the unemployment line.

The East is nothing but a bunch of bitter delusional old men who think that their career cancer will be cured by ramming it into an otherwise healthy body.

They actually believe that "majority rule" is enough to execute their anti-labor plans.

Failure is inevitable...like it always has been for those habitually Bankrupt losers.... AKA US Air. (east). Nic is unavoidable in the long term and any form of compromise from the west has long since sailed.

 

[eaglesview]

Your very welcome. I am proud to show my colors and support the professional pilots of my airline, US Airways, and of this country. I hope you can see your way fit to rejoin the brotherhood.

Denny

Scabbing supports your pilots and the profession?? With friends like you........

 

[Captzaahlie]

By the sounds of things on this thread there are plenty. Seem to by mostly out west.

A lot of memories of "high school" behavior too.......

 

[Tejas-Jet]

USAPA is not a Union.

Funny....Doug Parker and the NMB seem to think so....

Maybe you should take the time to call Parker and the NMB and let them know.

 

[MCDU]

Parker just made lot of money. He bought stock when it was around 2 bucks. Now its almost at 8.
LCC up 16% today.

M

 

[PHXFLYR]

I do not give rides to scabs, end of story. On the other hand I don't care if you are USAPA, ALPA, SWAPA, even non union. I don't care if you are for or against Obama or McCain. I don't care about your race, religion, or sex. I will not take that into consideration when offering you a ride. Just no scabs.

By the tone set by the AWA side in this thread maybe I should double check when I have one looking for a ride.

Like to see the "tone set" by the UAL crowd when the group of "2712" pulls the rug out from underneath you and inserts their own union. Gonna be as smug then as you are now ? Something tells me you must be a real peach to fly with.

PHXFLYR

 

[Marko Ramius]

Strike? You got to be kidding me.
There isn't a mediator on either side of the house that would release USAPA for self help.

Why not? Think about it for a minute. Many in Congress and the White House feel that there are too many airlines-flawed thinking because the capacity won't really depart with the airlines but it is how they feel. USAPA is a weak, undercapitalized union, unaffiliated with AFL-CIO, that is in 'control' of an incredibly fractious group of pilots in a time where there is an increasing surplus of available pilots due to the economy. It would be a bloodbath resulting in Airways going out of business or a strike settlement contract that would have everyone crying for the 'good 'ol days' of 2001-2008. Either way Washington would be happy with the result with little political capital expended.

 

[Caspian27]

Eaglesview,

Either you're ex-AAA or you've been living on Mars for the past 3 years with the attitude you have towards the HP pilots.

 

[El Pobre]

And yet the east pilots heavily involved in USAPA just can't understand why they are viewed as the pariah's of the commercial airline industry. Don't believe me? How about some UAL, SWA, FedEx, NWA, DAL, CAL, et al guys and gals weigh in??

OK....At FEDEX, unless you we're grandfathered in as a non-member before the last contract, you would indeed get fired for failing to pay dues to ALPA. Plain and simple...

 

[BeCareful!]

""""It is not doing anything remotely salient to being a true union."""


That's just stupid. Denny, you're living a very special fantasy, and posting it on the Internet will probably embarrass you some day (soon.)

Far from the industry wide anger you and yours say is directed to US Airways' pilots new, independent union, every member of CAPA recently called USAPA to see how they could help with the Captain's Authority issue. There are other, very union like things going on, and USAPA is even trying to represent you guys with contract parity on EVLA and trying to mitigate all furloughs. These are union actions that your beloved ALPA would have only talked about....you know, the strongly worded letters to management and all.

So, post away and keep your head in the sand. USAPA is up and running and facing a difficult, uphill battle just as every other union is these days. None of us want to take anything that was ever truly yours, but final or binding or bondage or whatever you want to call it, Nicolau was out of his freekin' mind and the majority of US Airways pilot won't put up with it. Beyond that, we are all just trying to make our world a better place. Oooommmmm.....Ooooommmmmm.

 

[vetrider]

Don't forget suing 18 individual cactus pilots for high crimes such as web board posts, seaking damages reaching into 7 figures.

 

[eaglesview]

Like to see the "tone set" by the UAL crowd when the group of "2712" pulls the rug out from underneath you and inserts their own union. Gonna be as smug then as you are now ? Something tells me you must be a real peach to fly with.

PHXFLYR

News flash, I would support the 2172 (not 2712) in dumping ALPA so I'm not sure which rug you are referring to.

PS I only have this "smugness" when I am around folks openly talking about scabbing, even feeling "proud" about it. By the way they all seem to be your comrads out west.

 

[Ocity]

USAPA is up and running and facing a difficult, uphill battle just as every other union is these days.

You mean an uphill battle like commencing termination procedures on 50% of the pilot group due to non payment of dues?

Sure. USAPA is just like SWAPA, APA and all the other in-house unions. he he he he HA HA HA HAAA HAAAAAAHHHAAAHHHAAAAA
HHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG THAT'S FUNNY.... USAPA is DOOMED. They're re gone in 20 months if not BK first...replaced by something else...the Nic. award.

 

[BeCareful!]

Dream on......loser.

 

[hockeypilot44]

USAPA is not a union. It is an association just like ALPA. It is also the LEGAL bargaining unit for the US Airways' pilots. That means it is recognized by law and whether the West pilots want to believe it or not does not matter. They are legally represented by USAPA.

 

[eaglesview]

Eaglesview,

Either you're ex-AAA or you've been living on Mars for the past 3 years with the attitude you have towards the HP pilots.

Never been with AAA. As far as mu attitude towards AWA pilots how about just one them (or you) coming forward and saying this talk of scabbing is absurd, that would be refreshing. Unfortunately I don't see it happening and you think this should instill me to improve my "attitude" towards them??

Read the title of the thread!! Give me a break.

 

[linepilot]

Why not? Think about it for a minute. Many in Congress and the White House feel that there are too many airlines-flawed thinking because the capacity won't really depart with the airlines but it is how they feel. USAPA is a weak, undercapitalized union, unaffiliated with AFL-CIO, that is in 'control' of an incredibly fractious group of pilots in a time where there is an increasing surplus of available pilots due to the economy. It would be a bloodbath resulting in Airways going out of business or a strike settlement contract that would have everyone crying for the 'good 'ol days' of 2001-2008. Either way Washington would be happy with the result with little political capital expended.

There isn't a person on the NMB staff that would ever use logic like that. Their mandate during section 6 is to facilitate agreements and avoid disruptions. If a particular pilot group is seen as destructive, unbending, or puposely disruptive they will be parked.
Like it or not, you must be able to compromise.
If a particular pilot group has as its goal, the abrogation of a lawful order by a federal judge then I would think that issue would be front and center during any mediated negotiations. It could potentially sap any leverage that USAPA has because Parker and Company can assume that you will never be released. Ultimately, USAPA limps along on a shoe-string budget and negotiations fatigue will set in. It will be interesting to see how the NMB reacts to USAPA and its stated goals.

 

[Marko Ramius]

There isn't a person on the NMB staff that would ever use logic like that. Their mandate during section 6 is to facilitate agreements and avoid disruptions. If a particular pilot group is seen as destructive, unbending, or puposely disruptive they will be parked.
Like it or not, you must be able to compromise.
If a particular pilot group has as its goal, the abrogation of a lawful order by a federal judge then I would think that issue would be front and center during any mediated negotiations. It could potentially sap any leverage that USAPA has because Parker and Company can assume that you will never be released. Ultimately, USAPA limps along on a shoe-string budget and negotiations fatigue will set in. It will be interesting to see how the NMB reacts to USAPA and its stated goals.

Reread what I wrote. I didn't say anything about the NMB staff. I wrote about the people who appoint the NMB and it's various members and help them move along to other good jobs when their time at the NMB is over. The pressure comes from above the NMB. 8 years ago there was a declaration that there would be no strikes in the airline industry. To my knowledge, there have only been 2: Comair in early 2001 (early first term) and the NWA mechanics. The latter occurred only after NWA had hired a ton scabs to do the work and were reasonably assured of breaking the line as long as the pilots and fa's were willing to look the other way which they did. A pilot strike at UsAirways would also likely be a slam dunk for management.

 

[Caspian27]

Never been with AAA. As far as mu attitude towards AWA pilots how about just one them (or you) coming forward and saying this talk of scabbing is absurd, that would be refreshing. Unfortunately I don't see it happening and you think this should instill me to improve my "attitude" towards them??

Read the title of the thread!! Give me a break.

I don't work there....but I have friends and family over there. I think the way that the East has behaved is much less honorable than the way the West has behaved. USAPA could care less about the West. Is it still "breaking the union" when the "union" wants nothing to do with you in the first place? USAPA represents the East only...

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Will USAPA represent the former leaders of the AWAPPA in their upcoming disciplinary hearing?

Or did JohnnyMac, Ray-Ray and the others not want their help?

One would think that Doug Parker would at least try to take care of "his own" guys.