Weak L-UAL pilots

[eaglesview]

Every little bit helps. I don't want "us" to be stuck with this pos T/A for the next 8 years. Every NO vote I can get offsets those just wanting some PS then punch out without having to live/die under this thing

OK, good luck to you.

 

[100/hour/5y]

TA PAY RATE ANALYSIS
PAY RATES ARE SHOWN AS A COMPARISON TO DELTA CONTRACT WHICH EXPIRES 12-31-15 (E190 PAY RATES ARE COMPARED TO JETBLUE) EXAMPLE: 12-YR B757-200 CA PAY IS $24/HR LESS THAN DELTA IN 2013


CAPTAIN 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017


E190 Minus $27 Minus $17 Minus $13 Minus $9 Minus $4


A319 Minus $16 Minus $6 Minus $6 Minus $1 Plus $5


A320 Minus $9 Plus $2 Plus $2 Plus $8 Plus $15


B737-500/700 Minus $23 Minus $14 Minus $14 Minus $8 Minus $2


B737-800 Minus $15 Minus $6 Minus $6 Equal Plus $7


B737-900 Minus $17 Minus $7 Minus $7 Minus $1 Plus $6


B757-200 Minus $24 Minus $15 Minus $15 Minus $8 Minus $2


B757-300 Minus $17 Minus $8 Minus $7 Minus $1 Plus $6


B767-200/300 Minus $17 Minus $8 Minus $7 Minus $1 Plus $6


B767-400 Minus $6 Plus $7 Plus $7 Plus $15 Plus $23


B787 Minus $9 Plus $4 Plus $3 Plus $11 Plus $19


B777 Minus $20 Minus $7 Minus $8 Equal Plus $8


B747-400 Minus $20 Minus $7 Minus $8 Equal Plus $8


1ST OFFICER 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017


E190 Minus $17 Minus $10 Minus $8 Minus $5 Minus $2


A319 Minus $11 Minus $5 Minus $5 Minus $1 Plus $4


A320 Minus $6 Plus $1 Plus $1 Plus $6 Plus $10


B737-500/700 Minus $16 Minus $10 Minus $10 Minus $6 Minus $1


B737-800 Minus $11 Minus $4 Minus $4 Equal Plus $5


B737-900 Minus $11 Minus $5 Minus $5 Equal Plus $4


B757-200 Minus $17 Minus $10 Minus $10 Minus $6 Minus $2


B757-300 Minus $12 Minus $5 Minus $5 Minus $1 Plus $4


B767-200/300 Minus $12 Minus $5 Minus $5 Minus $1 Plus $4


B767-400 Minus $4 Plus $5 Plus $5 Plus $10 Plus $16


B787 Minus $7 Minus $2 Plus $2 Plus $8 Plus $13


B777 Minus $14 Minus $5 Minus $6 Equal Plus $5


B747-400 Minus $14 Minus $5 Minus $6 Equal Plus $5


All comparisons are based on 12 yr pay rates

 

[eaglesview]

Your Point?

 

[EngineThunder]

That is a lot of minuses

 

[dontpost2]

I really hope you all don't go US Airways on us. I hope that you will all vote what is right for you and move forward with whatever the outcome. I hope you all will act in a professional manner with this like Delta and Northwest seemed to have done (not saying bitterness does not exist, but they've done a good job). This infighting does not do the industry any good. Our strength lies in solidarity. A great letter from the UAL chairman BTW! Best wishes to you guys and gals and a safe and happy holiday season.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Yes vote

 

[eaglesview]

Ditto

 

[SimHo]

I really hope you all don't go US Airways on us. I hope that you will all vote what is right for you and move forward with whatever the outcome. I hope you all will act in a professional manner with this like Delta and Northwest seemed to have done (not saying bitterness does not exist, but they've done a good job). This infighting does not do the industry any good. Our strength lies in solidarity. A great letter from the UAL chairman BTW! Best wishes to you guys and gals and a safe and happy holiday season.

90% of CAL guys will vote NO, 90% of the weak UAL guys will vote YES. I hope you’re happy when Smallsack and his minions rape the verbiage on this POS TA.
I will be one of about 1500 CAL pilots with the bag sticker that says “Don’t blame me, I voted no”

 

[jonjuan]

Your Point?

The point is on the hat on top of your head.

 

[ForgedBlade]

I will be one of about 1500 CAL pilots with the bag sticker that says “Don’t blame me, I voted no”

Ditto!

 

[JUNK YARD DOG]

Ditto!

well count me as 1501

I've kept my mouth shut, but It's now time to speak..... You UAL guy's have no idea who your dealing with here... There are holes in this a** paper that you just don't understand... But Mgmt does and they will exploit them at will.. you remember this when the are bending you over and you say "but wait, that can't do that"... well they can and will and you asked them for it!!!!!!!

 

[Yuppyguppy]

I voted yes for several reasons mainly the harvesting of flying issue. However that said. Let me see let's wait another 2 years for a contract, lose all that we have in this one, hope for better work rules in that new TA whenever that may be, lose seats and upgrades to the CAL side, still have to deal with Jay POS, and still have 2 different (really different airlines) in years under the same umbrella. NO THANKS! I VOTED YES. And yes there will be some regrets with the new contract I'm sure. But the biggest regrets I will have will not being able to get rid of JAY POS, ALPA and not being one group of pilots. That is much worse than 5 years of a slightly above average contract that we can take back with an in house union and fight with only 2 sides not 3. Peace out.

 

[nimtz]

I voted yes for several reasons mainly the harvesting of flying issue. However that said. Let me see let's wait another 2 years for a contract, lose all that we have in this one, hope for better work rules in that new TA whenever that may be, lose seats and upgrades to the CAL side, still have to deal with Jay POS, and still have 2 different (really different airlines) in years under the same umbrella. NO THANKS! I VOTED YES. And yes there will be some regrets with the new contract I'm sure. But the biggest regrets I will have will not being able to get rid of JAY POS, ALPA and not being one group of pilots. That is much worse than 5 years of a slightly above average contract that we can take back with an in house union and fight with only 2 sides not 3. Peace out.

Sounds like fear to me. DAL+ IN 2016 is quite a rallying cry. :erm:

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Ask Fred about his harvesting comment and all of the cheers from CAL pilots in IAH. Fear, no, just common sense.

 

[Continental]

Ask Fred about his harvesting comment and all of the cheers from CAL pilots in IAH. Fear, no, just common sense.

Fred is a pile 'o sheet and anyone that listens to him is the same. He is not a pilot advocate and I can't wait for him to leave or die. Don't care Wich one