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[Flyer1015]

So, fubi, it seems you are an Alaska Air pilot. For those of us unfortunate not to be the son of a Captain at Alaska and an uncle who is a checkairmen there, we will go to VA if we get a call. Virgin is still a better option than sticking at a regional airline that is asking for paycuts and concessions, threatening bankruptcy if we do not.

 

[Fubijaakr]

...we will go to VA if we get a call. Virgin is still a better option than sticking at a regional airline that is asking for paycuts and concessions, threatening bankruptcy if we do not.

Then you have no one to blame but YOURSELF if you're making $100K a year as a major airline pilot in 15 years.

Because YOU'RE driving down the "industry average" that management targets.

Pretty shortsighted on your part, if you ask me.

 

[NEDude]

If so, it was because he was a CA when they merged. The CAs got DoH, the rest got stapled. Not so great a deal for them. I see you're banking on a buyout before the moneypit claims the company. Gotd luck with that.



He can't. He's addicted to the Red Kool-Aid...

Hmmm, the People Express pilots who were not captains did not get a great deal. Too bad they didn't have ALPA to help them out, they could have gotten a great deal just like the TWA pilots did...

 

[NEDude]

Then you have no one to blame but YOURSELF if you're making $100K a year as a major airline pilot in 15 years.

Because YOU'RE driving down the "industry average" that management targets.

Pretty shortsighted on your part, if you ask me.

Talk about short sighted - you fail to recognize any of the other factors involved. Of course that would involve rational thought that your third grade brain cannot handle.

ALPA has at best turned a blind eye to the outsourcing of entry level mainline jobs to the regionals - a fact you cannot recognize.

ALPA has at best accepted the poverty level wages paid at the regionals that have put downward pressure on wages - a fact you cannot recognize.

Tell me, why can't your brain wrap itself around the cause and effect of the outsourcing? Do you not see that by giving up scope and accepting of poverty level wages at the regionals it creates an environment that makes it advantageous for management to outsource mainline flying? Have you not been seeing that over the past decade?! Can you not recognize the fact that every time ALPA signs off on the releasing of more scope, it creates less opportunity for pilots to move onto a mainline carrier and forces more pilots to live at poverty level wages? Can you not see that all of this has created a situation where poverty level wage paying ALPA carriers are now playing a part in driving ALPA legacy carriers out of business (refer to the case of Mesa's Hawaii operation and how it affected Aloha airlines)? Can you not see how that puts extreme downward pressure on wages and creates an environment in which regional pilots, pilots at companies that were driven out of business, or pilots that were furloughed because their jobs were outsourced to regionals, are now looking for other work? Is that too much to wrap your brain around?

These things are happening right in front of you and you fail to acknowledge any of them. You are so stuck on an argument that one airline's management used several years ago (an argument that did not even involve Virgin America) to blame all the ills of the industry on Virgin America pilots. It takes of lot of ignorant nerve to accuse me of being short sighted when you fail to see what has been happening right in front of your eyes.

Yes, I know, you are going to come back and call me some variation of 'doosh' and accuse me of drinking more red kool-aid. How original.

 

[Flyer1015]

Then you have no one to blame but YOURSELF if you're making $100K a year as a major airline pilot in 15 years.

Because YOU'RE driving down the "industry average" that management targets.

Pretty shortsighted on your part, if you ask me.

Hey bud, my current *ALPA* carrier is forcing me to vote on a 5% paycut and other concessions which are forthcoming. Of course I will vote no, but it still doesn't change the fact. The only thing ALPA has done effectively at 9E is take 1.95% out of every paycheck. Their track record for that has been spot on, but everything else has been pathetic! And don't be dramatic, VA Captains earn more than $100k. I'v heard they earn even more than the former ALPA-represented US Air pilots.

 

[Fubijaakr]

You hear wrong. On top of that, LCC pilots are represented by USAPA. Don't let your ALPA hate turn you into NEDoosh.

That's his justification for working for VX and screwing everyone in the profession.

 

[mxer]

I hasn't heard wrong. Its accurate.

 

[ualdriver]

Hey bud, my current *ALPA* carrier is forcing me to vote on a 5% paycut and other concessions which are forthcoming. Of course I will vote no, but it still doesn't change the fact. The only thing ALPA has done effectively at 9E is take 1.95% out of every paycheck. Their track record for that has been spot on, but everything else has been pathetic! And don't be dramatic, VA Captains earn more than $100k. I'v heard they earn even more than the former ALPA-represented US Air pilots.

OMG the horror! ALPA is actually making you VOTE on a concession management wants you to take? I can't imagine what could be worse than an organization giving its members the right to vote on an important issue they face!

Further, I guess you could say the only thing ALPA has done effectively is take 1.95% out of your pay. Or one could argue that if you didn't have ALPA on the property, you could have 5% taken out of your paycheck by your airline's management.

 

[Flyer1015]

OMG the horror! ALPA is actually making you VOTE on a concession management wants you to take? I can't imagine what could be worse than an organization giving its members the right to vote on an important issue they face!

Further, I guess you could say the only thing ALPA has done effectively is take 1.95% out of your pay. Or one could argue that if you didn't have ALPA on the property, you could have 5% taken out of your paycheck by your airline's management.

OH come on, like having ALPA on property actually stopped concessions? Every single airline concession post 9/11 has been from a union carrier (mostly ALPA). In every case, they volunteered paycuts in round one to avert bankruptcy. EVERY case! Next, the company declared bankruptcy anyway and filed motion 1113 to void the pilot contract. Then they were forced round #2 of forced paycuts. Make no mistake, the airline will get paycuts and concessions whether you are ALPA or not. Frankly, I think ALPA has become too political an organization, with a goal of representing both majors and regionals which are contradictory to each other.

 

[NEDude]

You hear wrong. On top of that, LCC pilots are represented by USAPA. Don't let your ALPA hate turn you into NEDoosh.

That's his justification for working for VX and screwing everyone in the profession.

No, it is accurate, the VX captain rates are higher than USAirways east. Look it up (of course that would require work so we know it will not happen). On top of that the rates were put in place while they were still ALPA, so ALPA deserves all the credit for the USAirways east pay rates.

I also see you have once again failed to answer my very direct, and brutally honest questions. Do they strain your brain too much?