Virgin America reduces hiring mins

[Flyer1015]

Used to be 5000TT but now been changed to 4000TT. Still requires 1000TPIC!

 

[ultrarunner]

...Still requires 1000TPIC!...

As it should be!

 

[Flyer1015]

As it should be!

Easy to say for those who got into this industry at the right time and upgraded quickly. A little tougher to swallow for those 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th year FOs who have no upgrade in sight through no fault of their own.

 

[ultrarunner]

I can't argue with that Flyer.

 

[mxer]

In reality, upgrades are not as fast for us either. PIC shouldn't be as high as in the past either. My opinion at least.

 

[kf4amu]

Easy to say for those who got into this industry at the right time and upgraded quickly. A little tougher to swallow for those 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th year FOs who have no upgrade in sight through no fault of their own.

Many of those FOs went to the hot airline of the time period taking substandard pay for a quick upgrade. When that business model turned, they got screwed. But I don't have any sympathy for them.

 

[mxer]

Your under the illusion that most just picked an airline and went there. Reality is that most sent resumes by the bucket and went to the one that said "your hired". Congrats that you are not in that mold.

 

[Flyer1015]

Many of those FOs went to the hot airline of the time period taking substandard pay for a quick upgrade. When that business model turned, they got screwed. But I don't have any sympathy for them.

Huh? Those FOs include Comair pilots hired in 2002-2005, under the best regional contract in the industry. It had nothing to do with a substandard carrier. In fact, the substand carriers had the fastest movement/upgrades. Back in 2005, 2006, Mesa, Great Lakes, Gulfstream were quick upgrades. The quality carriers (if there is such a thing) were like Eagle, Expressjet, ASA, and the upgrades weren't fast for Eagle. Expressjet FOs hired in 2004 were able to upgrade in 2006 in 2 years. However, those hired in 2006 are just starting to upgrade now, 6 years. ASA is a similar story.

 

[landlover]

Your under the illusion that most just picked an airline and went there. Reality is that most sent resumes by the bucket and went to the one that said "your hired". Congrats that you are not in that mold.

this wins! i hate when people act like they are special because they work at xyz airline and not abc airline. When actually they sent every last one of them a resume.

 

[jayme]

VA has hired plenty of guys with less than 1000 PIC if you're interested, go for it.

 

[kf4amu]

this wins! i hate when people act like they are special because they work at xyz airline and not abc airline. When actually they sent every last one of them a resume.

HAHA believe me my airline is not special at all, nor was my decision to go there. And notice I said "many", not all in reference to pilots. My point is that the flocking of pilots to the airline with the "quickest upgrade" of that time period is detrimental to the industry and I have no sympathy when they get "screwed" with the FO seat for many years.

 

[Flyer1015]

VA has hired plenty of guys with less than 1000 PIC if you're interested, go for it.

Any with 0 TPIC?

 

[jayme]

I thinkwe hired 2 with no PIC. One is buddies with the CP, the other was pre-launch and had some sort of management experience. I know of another who had 500 TPIC with no connections.

 

[cmrflyer]

I know of at least 6 guys with no PIC.

The new mins (changed about three months ago) are 4000hrs total, 1000 PIC prefered. The are able to "work" with the right candidate.

 

[Fubijaakr]

They'll "work" with anyone who is willing to take substandard wages/work rules.

 

[cmrflyer]

Well, I'd rather work with them than creatures like you.

Man up lady, everyone is tired of your attitude.

We all know you only fly for premium pay, because youre the best, and the coolest, and the most awesome.

Remind us all again, are you the highest paid guy in your equipment? if not tell ALPA you deserve more pay, a better retirement, lower heath care costs. Tell them you want Southwests deal.

Or shut the hell up.

 

[surfnfly]

At least they get to work with some smokin hot FA's not the 70ish battle axes at most others these days.

 

[NEDude]

They'll "work" with anyone who is willing to take substandard wages/work rules.

Oooh, really stretching your brain to come up with that zinger aren't you? Or perhaps not, the same argument you have been using for years in your rants against Virgin, Allegiant, and others. Get a clue, you are a tired and worn out troll, and you have lost - Virgin and Allegiant are still here and still growing. Time to move on.

 

[Splert]

Many of those FOs went to the hot airline of the time period taking substandard pay for a quick upgrade. When that business model turned, they got screwed. But I don't have any sympathy for them.

Growth is not a pay scale even though management sells growth as one.

Why pilots believe it is a subject for a PHD in Behavioral Science or a MBA in Organization Behavior.

 

[Lake Alice]

Just having PIC is not the issue. We have several top 100 pilots hired at Jetblue who had PIC in a turbo prop and nothing else. These are by far the worst pilots at Jetblue. I'd rather have a guy sitting next to me who had 5000 hours in the right seat of a jet than the same amount sitting in the left seat of a turbo prop.

 

[jayme]

Because of our growth, I make more than my peers who went to Delta at the same time I came here, and will continue to out-earn them until they upgrade. By then, our payscales will be very different, and I may well continue to outearn them.

No Ph.D required.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Well, I guess you clowns know what your worth. We're all prostitutes for aviation, but you dorks are cheap prostitutes.

 

[NEDude]

Well, I guess you clowns know what your worth. We're all prostitutes for aviation, but you dorks are cheap prostitutes.

Apparently the following is too hard for you to comprehend - "Because of our growth, I make more than my peers who went to Delta at the same time I came here, and will continue to out-earn them until they upgrade."

Out-earn means make more money, not less.

At least you are coming up with a new argument, comparing us all to prostitutes. How long did it take? Now the next step is finding one that makes sense. But we'll take in in baby steps Fubi, can't strain you too much.

 

[say again]

Apparently the following is too hard for you to comprehend - "Because of our growth, I make more than my peers who went to Delta at the same time I came here, and will continue to out-earn them until they upgrade."

Out-earn means make more money, not less.

At least you are coming up with a new argument, comparing us all to prostitutes. How long did it take? Now the next step is finding one that makes sense. But we'll take in in baby steps Fubi, can't strain you too much.

Hahahaha!!!

:beer:

 

[mxer]

Actually, Fubi even claims to be a prostitute. He has even more issues than we thought. Then he said compares us to him. He says he is just like us? Says a lot. He is a VX wannabe.

 

[ackattacker]

Just having PIC is not the issue. We have several top 100 pilots hired at Jetblue who had PIC in a turbo prop and nothing else. These are by far the worst pilots at Jetblue. I'd rather have a guy sitting next to me who had 5000 hours in the right seat of a jet than the same amount sitting in the left seat of a turbo prop.

Wow. This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read on FI, and that's saying something.

 

[Flyer1015]

Fubi, you're right. I'll go to Delta. Not hiring for 2012. I'll go to American, bankrupt. I'll go to UniCal, 1500 on furlough. US Air, not hiring. Hawaiian, forget it unless you live in Hawaii because otherwise no call. Spirit, if they call you. UPS not hiring. Soooo stay stuck in regional hell through a round of concessions and bankruptcy or try Virgin?

 

[NEDude]

Fubi, you're right. I'll go to Delta. Not hiring for 2012. I'll go to American, bankrupt. I'll go to UniCal, 1500 on furlough. US Air, not hiring. Hawaiian, forget it unless you live in Hawaii because otherwise no call. Spirit, if they call you. UPS not hiring. Soooo stay stuck in regional hell through a round of concessions and bankruptcy or try Virgin?

By his logic it is better to make less money at an ALPA approved outsourcing company, thus taking more mainline jobs, than it is to make more money at an independent company.

He cannot grasp the concept that ALPA has created the downward pressure on wages by allowing mainline flying to be transferred to poverty level wage paying regionals. Since he cannot grasp that fact, he also cannot grasp the fact that the ALPA endorsed outsourcing has eliminated the entry level jobs at the good mainline carriers. Since he fails to grasp those two basic concepts, his brain would explode if you were to tell him that by continuing to work for poverty level wages at the ALPA endorsed outsourcing company, you are continuing to put downward pressure by allowing even more outsourcing from mainline.

 

[Lake Alice]

Wow. This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read on FI, and that's saying something.

While I appreciate your opinion you must understand our. Jetblue had less than 100 pilots and probably 20 airplanes. They went out and hired pilots that they could upgrade in less than 6 months. Many of our top 100 were airbus captains in 1 month! Out of these 100 pilots Jetblue hired pilots who had recently upgraded to dash 8 captains. These pilots had hardly any pic time and had never flown a jet. After these pilots upgraded they became tyrants. You can't imagine how difficult it was to fly and train with these pilots. To this day their ways haven't changed and the complaints/no fly list levied against them is staggering.
Even a regional guy who has sat in the right seat of a jet for 5 years is and was more qualified for the position than the above. I'm not knocking a turbo prop pilot. There are 20 year dash8 guys who are incredible. sI'm knocking the quality of experience these particular hires had.

 

[Fubijaakr]

I guess you can rationalize your actions any way you want, but the truth of the matter is regional pay rates have no effect on my contract.

However, Airbus pilots who whoore themselves out for 2/3rds pay certainly do.

And the argument about outsourcing is a dog that won't hunt.

Personally, I hope the FAA sticks with the 1500 hour requirement for part 121 flying. That will keep some of you scum out of airliners for a good long time. As it stands, you clowns who have jobs now better thank your lucky stars that the Colgan crash didn't happen 5 years ago. You'd all be flipping burgers and flying students in a Cessna.