Virgin America reduces hiring mins

[jayme]

Because of our growth, I make more than my peers who went to Delta at the same time I came here, and will continue to out-earn them until they upgrade. By then, our payscales will be very different, and I may well continue to outearn them.

No Ph.D required.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Well, I guess you clowns know what your worth. We're all prostitutes for aviation, but you dorks are cheap prostitutes.

 

[NEDude]

Well, I guess you clowns know what your worth. We're all prostitutes for aviation, but you dorks are cheap prostitutes.

Apparently the following is too hard for you to comprehend - "Because of our growth, I make more than my peers who went to Delta at the same time I came here, and will continue to out-earn them until they upgrade."

Out-earn means make more money, not less.

At least you are coming up with a new argument, comparing us all to prostitutes. How long did it take? Now the next step is finding one that makes sense. But we'll take in in baby steps Fubi, can't strain you too much.

 

[say again]

Apparently the following is too hard for you to comprehend - "Because of our growth, I make more than my peers who went to Delta at the same time I came here, and will continue to out-earn them until they upgrade."

Out-earn means make more money, not less.

At least you are coming up with a new argument, comparing us all to prostitutes. How long did it take? Now the next step is finding one that makes sense. But we'll take in in baby steps Fubi, can't strain you too much.

Hahahaha!!!

:beer:

 

[mxer]

Actually, Fubi even claims to be a prostitute. He has even more issues than we thought. Then he said compares us to him. He says he is just like us? Says a lot. He is a VX wannabe.

 

[ackattacker]

Just having PIC is not the issue. We have several top 100 pilots hired at Jetblue who had PIC in a turbo prop and nothing else. These are by far the worst pilots at Jetblue. I'd rather have a guy sitting next to me who had 5000 hours in the right seat of a jet than the same amount sitting in the left seat of a turbo prop.

Wow. This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read on FI, and that's saying something.

 

[Flyer1015]

Fubi, you're right. I'll go to Delta. Not hiring for 2012. I'll go to American, bankrupt. I'll go to UniCal, 1500 on furlough. US Air, not hiring. Hawaiian, forget it unless you live in Hawaii because otherwise no call. Spirit, if they call you. UPS not hiring. Soooo stay stuck in regional hell through a round of concessions and bankruptcy or try Virgin?

 

[NEDude]

Fubi, you're right. I'll go to Delta. Not hiring for 2012. I'll go to American, bankrupt. I'll go to UniCal, 1500 on furlough. US Air, not hiring. Hawaiian, forget it unless you live in Hawaii because otherwise no call. Spirit, if they call you. UPS not hiring. Soooo stay stuck in regional hell through a round of concessions and bankruptcy or try Virgin?

By his logic it is better to make less money at an ALPA approved outsourcing company, thus taking more mainline jobs, than it is to make more money at an independent company.

He cannot grasp the concept that ALPA has created the downward pressure on wages by allowing mainline flying to be transferred to poverty level wage paying regionals. Since he cannot grasp that fact, he also cannot grasp the fact that the ALPA endorsed outsourcing has eliminated the entry level jobs at the good mainline carriers. Since he fails to grasp those two basic concepts, his brain would explode if you were to tell him that by continuing to work for poverty level wages at the ALPA endorsed outsourcing company, you are continuing to put downward pressure by allowing even more outsourcing from mainline.

 

[Lake Alice]

Wow. This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read on FI, and that's saying something.

While I appreciate your opinion you must understand our. Jetblue had less than 100 pilots and probably 20 airplanes. They went out and hired pilots that they could upgrade in less than 6 months. Many of our top 100 were airbus captains in 1 month! Out of these 100 pilots Jetblue hired pilots who had recently upgraded to dash 8 captains. These pilots had hardly any pic time and had never flown a jet. After these pilots upgraded they became tyrants. You can't imagine how difficult it was to fly and train with these pilots. To this day their ways haven't changed and the complaints/no fly list levied against them is staggering.
Even a regional guy who has sat in the right seat of a jet for 5 years is and was more qualified for the position than the above. I'm not knocking a turbo prop pilot. There are 20 year dash8 guys who are incredible. sI'm knocking the quality of experience these particular hires had.

 

[Fubijaakr]

I guess you can rationalize your actions any way you want, but the truth of the matter is regional pay rates have no effect on my contract.

However, Airbus pilots who whoore themselves out for 2/3rds pay certainly do.

And the argument about outsourcing is a dog that won't hunt.

Personally, I hope the FAA sticks with the 1500 hour requirement for part 121 flying. That will keep some of you scum out of airliners for a good long time. As it stands, you clowns who have jobs now better thank your lucky stars that the Colgan crash didn't happen 5 years ago. You'd all be flipping burgers and flying students in a Cessna.

 

[mxer]

Now thats just stupid. When you grasp for a straw, you really don't care which straw. Is it painful to fly with that much space between the ears. Pressure must be unbearable.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Don't look now, Richard, but regional jobs are drying up and blowing away with the 50 seat jets. Ask the next 20 year Comair F/O you see for verification. Of you might see how the Eagle F/Os are feeling right about now.

By cutting our throats and flying for 60%, YOU are ensuring there will be NO well paying airline pilot jobs in YOUR future.

Ever heard the old saying, "When you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging."

 

[Lake Alice]

don't look now, richard, but regional jobs are drying up and blowing away with the 50 seat jets. Ask the next 20 year comair f/o you see for verification. Of you might see how the eagle f/os are feeling right about now.

by cutting our throats and flying for 60%, you are ensuring there will be no well paying airline pilot jobs in your future.

ever heard the old saying, "when you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging."

+1+1+1

 

[NEDude]

Don't look now, Richard, but regional jobs are drying up and blowing away with the 50 seat jets. Ask the next 20 year Comair F/O you see for verification. Of you might see how the Eagle F/Os are feeling right about now.

By cutting our throats and flying for 60%, YOU are ensuring there will be NO well paying airline pilot jobs in YOUR future.

Ever heard the old saying, "When you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging."

50 seat RJs are being replaced by 70 seat RJs. Management is pushing for 100 seat RJs now, and I bet it will not be too long before some group caves, they always do.

By allowing outsourcing to RJs, you (ALPA) started digging the hole a long time ago. Every time ALPA gives up more scope, you dig the hole a little deeper. You claim that that RJ rates have no affect on your pay, which shows just how stupid you are. You are still digging the hole and don't even realize it! You created the mess, don't ask the rest of us to fix it for you by living at poverty level wages flying RJs while more and more entry level mainline jobs are given away.

 

[Fubijaakr]

You're the one flying an airbus for RJ wages, dork. Think about it.

 

[Snapshot]

He cannot grasp the concept that ALPA has created the downward pressure on wages by allowing mainline flying to be transferred to poverty level wage paying regionals. Since he cannot grasp that fact, he also cannot grasp the fact that the ALPA endorsed outsourcing has eliminated the entry level jobs at the good mainline carriers. Since he fails to grasp those two basic concepts, his brain would explode if you were to tell him that by continuing to work for poverty level wages at the ALPA endorsed outsourcing company, you are continuing to put downward pressure by allowing even more outsourcing from mainline.

You don't seem to grasp that ALPA is not some sort of entity that dictates contracts from the top down. Airlines don't have contracts with, nor do they negotiate with ALPA. They have contracts with and negotiate with their pilot groups. The members of the individual pilot groups voted to give some of those things away because they didn't understand how important they were at the time. The others were stripped during bankruptcies. The individual pilot groups haven't taken them back because they lack the collective balls to stand up for themselves and demand it. It is far easier to point the finger at someone else than look in the mirror. Blaming ALPA for, or expecting ALPA to do anything is like blaming the hammer for your house falling down.

I guess you can rationalize your actions any way you want, but the truth of the matter is regional pay rates have no effect on my contract.

However, Airbus pilots who whoore themselves out for 2/3rds pay certainly do.

If you are unhappy with your pay or your contract, blame it on your pilot group. They are the ones who accepted it. Virgin, Regionals, Southwest, whoever.....didn't get a ballot.

 

[ultrarunner]

This is the underlying issue with having a 'national association' that will whore itself out to any group.

ALPA loved the day the majors started farming out their flying. It's all out dues. And when regionals hit the scene, well, that was a $hit-load of more bodies forking over that few percentage points.....

The rest is history....

 

[Fubijaakr]

What NEDude and the rest of the VX mental midgets can't seem to grasp is that flying and Airbus for RJ wages puts downward pressure on ALL OF US.

He tosses out the ALPA strawman, but Union affiliation hardly matters. USAPA is doing the same thing under LOA 93 that the VX slugs do voluntarily.

But he can't answer that because HE'S PROUD of the fact that he thinks VX is the path to the stars for him. The problem is in 20 years when he's still making RJ wages he'll have no one but the "man" in the mirror to blame.

 

[flyboyzii]

this is the underlying issue with having a 'national association' that will whore itself out to any group.

Alpa loved the day the majors started farming out their flying. It's all out dues. And when regionals hit the scene, well, that was a $hit-load of more bodies forking over that few percentage points.....

The rest is history....

+100....

 

[Fubijaakr]

..well, that was a $hit-load of more bodies forking over that few percentage points.....

Ya think?