Usapa lost!!!!!!!!!

[Cowboy75]

Always, Always, Always remember, Out West, Integrity matters!

I really hate to burst your integrity bubble but that is not true of everyone on the west. I don't think the first officer that flipped me off doing my walk around out in LAX had much integrity.

Interesting that I had the same experience from an East F/O while on his walk around parked next to us at the gate. Remedy for that, smile for the cell phone camera and wave to the passengers who observed his childish behavior.

 

[General Lee]

Yeah, you lost 1% right now and gain between 10-25% over the next 10 years with attrition from the NWA side, as I lose the same 10%. "I'm not unhappy with the results", what an buttplug.

Although I agree that this ruling is what it should be with regards to the USAir/AWA merger, GL is still a tool.

Well great, at least we can agree that we think eachother are tools. Some of you guys complain about your situation in life, just as you drive off the lot with a new car. Yeah, seniority wise you were given a blow in your minds, (by 3 arbitrators who viewed weeks worth of testimony---heck they all must have been wrong), but your pay and most of your benefits and work rules were raised. Take that to the bank, and btw you guys look great in the new uniforms.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[IBNAV8R]

True justice after all of this crap would involve a big, shiny red Swingline.

 

[Sandhawk]

True justice after all of this crap would involve a big, shiny red Swingline.

AMEN, brotha !!!


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[michael707767]

Yeah, you lost 1% right now and gain between 10-25% over the next 10 years with attrition from the NWA side, as I lose the same 10%. "I'm not unhappy with the results", what an buttplug.

Although I agree that this ruling is what it should be with regards to the USAir/AWA merger, GL is still a tool.

My relative position took a 2% hit. Down the road, my best case is 4% ahead of my relative position in a stand alone company. I don't think that 4% will even come close to making up for how much more senior the former DAL bases will become when things settle out.

 

[Redmeat]

Yeah, you lost 1% right now and gain between 10-25% over the next 10 years with attrition from the NWA side, as I lose the same 10%. "I'm not unhappy with the results", what an buttplug.

Although I agree that this ruling is what it should be with regards to the USAir/AWA merger, GL is still a tool.

Exactly.

"I'm not unhappy with the results".

GL...Effin tool.

 

[acpilot]

Outstanding! Couldn't be happier for the Westies! They deserve it!

 

[General Lee]

Exactly.

"I'm not unhappy with the results".

GL...Effin tool.

See ya in the crew lounge in ATL! (Wear your hat)

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Raoul Duke]

Interesting that I had the same experience from an East F/O while on his walk around parked next to us at the gate. Remedy for that, smile for the cell phone camera and wave to the passengers who observed his childish behavior.

Was it FO Bradford? The genius email writer? He turned out to be the West's best witness.

 

[Grandpa +65]

Former America West Pilots Win in Court Ruling Over Legacy US Airways Pilots

By Brett Snyder | May 14th, 2009 @ 8:34 am


More than three and a half years since America West and US Airways merged, the integration of the pilot groups continues to inch forward very, very slowly. A big milestone was reached yesterday when the courts finally ruled in favor of the former America West pilots. It’s about time. But of course, this is still far from over.
Before I get into yesterdays news, how about a brief history? There was no question that merging these two groups would be difficult. The relatively junior America West pilots clearly would have different interests from the far more senior US Airways pilots. Unsurprisingly, the big sticking point was in regards to how to integrate seniority. It went to binding arbitration via the union (both were represented by ALPA), and a verdict was reached that made adjustments for the fact that the America West pilots had much less seniority. This blended seniority is similar to what Delta and Northwest agreed to, or so I understand.
The old US Airways pilots didn’t like this, so they decided to ignore that whole “binding” part of the arbitration. They opted to leave the union and start their own instead. The America West pilots were powerless to stop it, because the US Airways pilots had enough votes to overrule anything the America West pilots would have wanted. After the vote, USAPA was brought in as the new, independent union and the US Airways guys declared the seniority ruling to be void.
As you can imagine, this was a complete nightmare for the America West pilots who were unable to stop something that was an awful idea in the first place. So they did what they could, and they took the US Airways pilots to court to force them to accept the seniority ruling and actually implement it.
Yesterday, there was a unanimous ruling in favor of the America West pilots, so you’d think this would be done right? Of course not. The USAPA put out a press release immediately that came off as incredibly whiny.
Since we were required to argue our case with limited evidence and were hamstrung by questionable rulings and incorrect instructions, USAPA, quite literally, fought this battle with both hands tied behind its back.
You can see where this is going. Its appeal time! How incredibly ridiculous. They will fight this to the end, yet I don’t know anyone outside of the old US Airways pilot group who thinks that they’re in the right here. Its just sad to watch them flail about like this.
The incredible thing here is that until the seniority ruling is made, there’s no chance the company will talk about a new contract. And because of that, the US Airways pilots are just leaving money on the table. Way back when the merger happened, management offered to bring US Airways pilots up to the America West pay levels. They balked, and so the US Airways pilots are still on their old pay scale.
AirlinePilotCentral.com has the comparative hourly rates for the two pilot groups by seniority and aircraft type. The biggest overlap is on the narrow body fleet, so lets look at that for comparison.
A 15 year US Airways narrow body captain makes $125 per hour while an America West captain makes $142. Pilots are allowed by law to fly up to 1,000 hours per year, so if they flew the maximum they’re leaving $17,000 a year on the table. It’s been three and a half years since the merger, so by delaying this so long, that same pilot has missed out on about $60,000. Nice work guys. And this assumes that they wouldn’t have been able to make any salary gains in later negotiations, which they very well may have been able to do.
If they were smart, the US Airways pilots would have stopped fighting this long ago and tried to move on, but no. These guys continue to be stubborn and incredibly, nobody suffers more than they do.