USAir & AMR merger

[cactusboy53]

....You mean, accept the Nic unconditionally... OK, back to square ONE..

I guess you are right (& Nicky too). We'll see what the election brings. If all the same old troopers are voted in then the "majority" will have successfully ushered in further delay. NO MONEY. NO CONTRACT IMPROVEMENTS. NO ADDITIONAL TIME OFF OR EXTRA VACATION, AND CONTINUED INDUSTRY LEADING FLP (FOR THE ELECTED ELITE, OF COURSE).

The Nicolau Seniority list is the only list that is allowed by the law. You and Nicky should REALLY spend some time reading the actual arbitration award and the court documents.

You choose....Delay with no pay, or move on. No skin off my nose. Have a great day.

 

[LearLove]

You choose....Delay with no pay, or move on. No skin off my nose. Have a great day.

If it is no skin off your nose why do you want it so bad?

 

[cactusboy53]

If it is no skin off your nose why do you want it so bad?

I EXPECT people to do what they promised they would do. I EXPECT people to keep their word. I EXPECT better behavior from people / groups than a MOB RULE. I EXPECT when someone wants something, that they play by the rules given and NOT make up their own. I EXPECT proper and lawful union representation for ALL pilots, not just the ones who think they were cheated and happen to be in a majority position. I DEMAND better.

My life can go on if the majority chooses further delay. It is still true that they have cause irreparable financial harm just to secure that precious left seat that they feel entitled to. They have taken my dues money and used it against me and my fellow AWA aviators. They have taken my dues money and used it to PERSECUTE 24 of our pilots in a FRUITLESS RICO lawsuit. USAPA's core and the USAPA faithful are some of the most contemptible miscreants that have ever disgraced the pilot labor force.

I want this "so bad" for the simple fact that it is the only legal path NO MATTER HOW LONG YOU DELAY AND HOW MUCH DUES MONEY YOU THROW AT IT. Do I want "your seat"? We to be honest, it's NOT YOUR SEAT. It hasn't been your seat since September 27, 2005. Pretty simple, huh?

 

[LearLove]

bold text and underlining - now I'm scared.

but the all caps really put it over the top.

 

[B-atch]

The "Law" cannot force a majority group to fall on its sword by voting away their seniority for a few dollars more. There lies the crux of WHY we are still TWO SEPARATE AIRLINES.

 

[St. Nic]

BINGO! YOu guys get it. We don't have to do anything and the 9th said so. Enjoy your stagnation out WEST!

 

[cactusboy53]

bold text and underlining - now I'm scared.

but the all caps really put it over the top.

No it’s for emphasis. Like when it’s necessary to emphasize a point when a particular party somehow is too stupid or dense to realize when they are wrong, or when it’s necessary to emphasize a point of moral lapse/bankruptcy when a party refuses to accept the product of an already agreed upon process.

BINGO! Nicolau got it. Wake got it. 1 of the 3 judges in the 9th got it, the company (by virtue of the recent court filings) gets it, and I believe Silver gets it. Who doesn't get it? USAPA & the USAPA faithful.

You are right, the law can't force you to "fall on your sword", but they can tell the company that the Nicolau list is the only list. THEN you can vote NO to your hearts content on any TA that includes the NIC. It's just that simple. One vote each.

 

[Scoot 11]

Hey Scoot, join our ranks, run for office, negotiate an industry leading contract. Not interested you say, then back to your happy place and leave the rest of us to decide what WE want....
You want to do your part, stand in solidarity with the US pilots when the moment comes... Then well see if you ,and a few others on these forums, will walk the walk..

Why would I stand in solidarity with someone who doesn't understand the concept of binding arbitration?
You (guys) are the complete antithesis to what solidarity stands for!

 

[ASADFW7]

Try to debate the subject not the person.

 

[earhart]

Try to debate the subject not the person.

I think you are posting on the wrong site........

 

[Citjok]

OK that's it. Please close this thread.!!!!!!!!!

 

[reepicheep]

This is why I just shake my head when I hear how "the east pilots are getting tired of LOA 93 and are ready to deal.". Never. What you read on the last several posts is the mindset of the overwhelming majority of the east. But you know what, sooner or later, somehow...that karma thing.

 

[sean67]

bold text and underlining - now I'm scared.

but the all caps really put it over the top.

Good one!

 

[johnnyb]

The arbitration is subject to membership ratification. We get a vote on yes we will accept it or thanks but I'll keep what I've got
3500 vs 1700
The answer is NO
It's been 4 years
These are not
difficult concepts try to accept them

 

[Bringupthebird]

If it is no skin off your nose why do you want it so bad?

Do you think a union is a necessity? Do you think one side should be compelled to support an organization that cannot provide the service they are charging for?

If a union is a necessity, then it should be one that can produce results for ALL it's members. It should be one that can produce a TA in a reasonable amount of time for the pilots to vote. But the east doesn't want to exercise it's vote until after they have secured the seat they think they deserve. It's these situational ethics that the west is tired of supporting.

The underlying argument from the east is that they should be rewarded for their sacrifice, but in truth they are only doing what their numbers allowed them to do when last given the chance to vote. The justification takes a back seat to simply bullying a smaller group and thumbing their nose at the results of mutual negotiation, mediation and arbitration.

The time to vote has come and past and each day of delay is a damage to all US pilot's careers. The vast majority of east pilots have heard the fear mongering from their so-called leaders about permanently denying the east F/O's the opportunity to upgrade (proven time and again to be false) and they check out of the discussion and hide in the comfort of their tribe and their ignorance.

The proof as to whether or not the east pilots can make an informed decision will come during this election. THERE WILL NEVER BE A VOTE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT TO ACCEPT THE NICOLAU AWARD . You will never be given this stand-alone vote. You will be given the chance to vote NO on a TA if you want to reward a small group of F/O's at the expense of all the other US pilots and subject the union to a costly damages award.

What cannot be done is to deny any vote indefinitely, just to secure illegitimate gains.