USAir & AMR merger

[ALGFLYR]

Not so much "too high", as we are really not getting the bang for the buck that we deserve.

Well USAPA will have a new President. It appears Cleary is not a candidate for any office according to the published list from USAPA of the people running...

 

[get2flyin]

Well USAPA will have a new President. It appears Cleary is not a candidate for any office according to the published list from USAPA of the people running...

What about Bad Andy? I thought he was a viable candidate but I didn't see his name...

I had a hell of a lot of respect for what the guy was trying to accomplish.

 

[cactusboy53]

What about Bad Andy? I thought he was a viable candidate but I didn't see his name...

I had a hell of a lot of respect for what the guy was trying to accomplish.

Andy chose to bow out. He would certainly have gotten the "third list" vote, and some of the PHX vote. Not sure how many "East" votes, and I think he thought the numerical chances were short.

Andy is a very articulate person, and is being encouraged to participate in USAPA as a committee member / chair.

What we do need from the nominees in USAPA is PROVEN leadership. Someone that has demonstrated that ability to lead and show tangible POSITIVE results of that past leadership. These same people need to know how to work SMARTER, not HARDER when it comes to dealing with company management.

If you don't have the right to vote, PLEASE put your affairs in order so that you may do so! There is only one true opponent, and that is the one with the purse strings: The AFA now has a TA to vote on and we are no where near a concluded negotiation. How long do you want to wait for a new contract, better working conditions, and more money?

CB

 

[B-atch]

Andy chose to bow out. He would certainly have gotten the "third list" vote, and some of the PHX vote. Not sure how many "East" votes, and I think he thought the numerical chances were short.

Andy is a very articulate person, and is being encouraged to participate in USAPA as a committee member / chair.

What we do need from the nominees in USAPA is PROVEN leadership. Someone that has demonstrated that ability to lead and show tangible POSITIVE results of that past leadership. These same people need to know how to work SMARTER, not HARDER when it comes to dealing with company management.

If you don't have the right to vote, PLEASE put your affairs in order so that you may do so! There is only one true opponent, and that is the one with the purse strings: The AFA now has a TA to vote on and we are no where near a concluded negotiation. How long do you want to wait for a new contract, better working conditions, and more money?

CB

....You mean, accept the Nic unconditionally... OK, back to square ONE..

 

[On Your Six]

....You mean, accept the Nic unconditionally... OK, back to square ONE..

The only way you won't see the nic award is if the West is sold separately. Otherwise, you will see it. The APA will make sure of it too if you merge with them.



Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[Carl S.]

ALGFLYR, it is good to get info from somewhere other than USAPA sources. I fact check as much as I can and know that facts can be twisted to massage a message!

Other East pilots, the Nic. is not going away, you can delay FOREVER, but it is not going away.....Your choice, there is no one to work out a solution, you decided that 4/18/2008......

 

[Flybywire44]

ALGFLYR, it is good to get info from somewhere other than USAPA sources. I fact check as much as I can and know that facts can be twisted to massage a message!

Other East pilots, the Nic. is not going away, you can delay FOREVER, but it is not going away.....Your choice, there is no one to work out a solution, you decided that 4/18/2008......

I have the impression that the East and East new hires are happy with the status quo until a merger comes or doesn't

 

[St. Nic]

....You mean, accept the Nic unconditionally... OK, back to square ONE..

We don't have to accept the nic- the 9th said so. We aren't going to accept the nic- period!
So I guess the westicles will have another decade of stagnation while the upgrade train gets moving on the east! Third listers will be captains in five years WOOHOO

 

[Scoot 11]

We don't have to accept the nic- the 9th said so. We aren't going to accept the nic- period!
So I guess the westicles will have another decade of stagnation while the upgrade train gets moving on the east! Third listers will be captains in five years WOOHOO

Stagnation? Man your 16 year 320 captains are making less than 12 year Delta F/O's. That's (pay) stagnation. You guys are destroying the profession with your terrible payrates. And because of your selfishness, you are dragging the the industry making it more difficult for the rest of us to increase ours. You wanna fall on your sword, that's your business, but please stop holding up the rest of us.
Hold that head up high though, you're paid less than a Philly trash collector, so you got that going for ya!

 

[B-atch]

Hey Scoot, join our ranks, run for office, negotiate an industry leading contract. Not interested you say, then back to your happy place and leave the rest of us to decide what WE want....
You want to do your part, stand in solidarity with the US pilots when the moment comes... Then well see if you ,and a few others on these forums, will walk the walk..

 

[cactusboy53]

....You mean, accept the Nic unconditionally... OK, back to square ONE..

I guess you are right (& Nicky too). We'll see what the election brings. If all the same old troopers are voted in then the "majority" will have successfully ushered in further delay. NO MONEY. NO CONTRACT IMPROVEMENTS. NO ADDITIONAL TIME OFF OR EXTRA VACATION, AND CONTINUED INDUSTRY LEADING FLP (FOR THE ELECTED ELITE, OF COURSE).

The Nicolau Seniority list is the only list that is allowed by the law. You and Nicky should REALLY spend some time reading the actual arbitration award and the court documents.

You choose....Delay with no pay, or move on. No skin off my nose. Have a great day.

 

[LearLove]

You choose....Delay with no pay, or move on. No skin off my nose. Have a great day.

If it is no skin off your nose why do you want it so bad?

 

[cactusboy53]

If it is no skin off your nose why do you want it so bad?

I EXPECT people to do what they promised they would do. I EXPECT people to keep their word. I EXPECT better behavior from people / groups than a MOB RULE. I EXPECT when someone wants something, that they play by the rules given and NOT make up their own. I EXPECT proper and lawful union representation for ALL pilots, not just the ones who think they were cheated and happen to be in a majority position. I DEMAND better.

My life can go on if the majority chooses further delay. It is still true that they have cause irreparable financial harm just to secure that precious left seat that they feel entitled to. They have taken my dues money and used it against me and my fellow AWA aviators. They have taken my dues money and used it to PERSECUTE 24 of our pilots in a FRUITLESS RICO lawsuit. USAPA's core and the USAPA faithful are some of the most contemptible miscreants that have ever disgraced the pilot labor force.

I want this "so bad" for the simple fact that it is the only legal path NO MATTER HOW LONG YOU DELAY AND HOW MUCH DUES MONEY YOU THROW AT IT. Do I want "your seat"? We to be honest, it's NOT YOUR SEAT. It hasn't been your seat since September 27, 2005. Pretty simple, huh?

 

[LearLove]

bold text and underlining - now I'm scared.

but the all caps really put it over the top.

 

[B-atch]

The "Law" cannot force a majority group to fall on its sword by voting away their seniority for a few dollars more. There lies the crux of WHY we are still TWO SEPARATE AIRLINES.

 

[St. Nic]

BINGO! YOu guys get it. We don't have to do anything and the 9th said so. Enjoy your stagnation out WEST!

 

[cactusboy53]

bold text and underlining - now I'm scared.

but the all caps really put it over the top.

No it’s for emphasis. Like when it’s necessary to emphasize a point when a particular party somehow is too stupid or dense to realize when they are wrong, or when it’s necessary to emphasize a point of moral lapse/bankruptcy when a party refuses to accept the product of an already agreed upon process.

BINGO! Nicolau got it. Wake got it. 1 of the 3 judges in the 9th got it, the company (by virtue of the recent court filings) gets it, and I believe Silver gets it. Who doesn't get it? USAPA & the USAPA faithful.

You are right, the law can't force you to "fall on your sword", but they can tell the company that the Nicolau list is the only list. THEN you can vote NO to your hearts content on any TA that includes the NIC. It's just that simple. One vote each.

 

[Scoot 11]

Hey Scoot, join our ranks, run for office, negotiate an industry leading contract. Not interested you say, then back to your happy place and leave the rest of us to decide what WE want....
You want to do your part, stand in solidarity with the US pilots when the moment comes... Then well see if you ,and a few others on these forums, will walk the walk..

Why would I stand in solidarity with someone who doesn't understand the concept of binding arbitration?
You (guys) are the complete antithesis to what solidarity stands for!

 

[ASADFW7]

Try to debate the subject not the person.

 

[earhart]

Try to debate the subject not the person.

I think you are posting on the wrong site........