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Every single time I flew an ambo flight we had skilled and qualified medical personnel on board, was your experience different? How can you compare a sick patient with skilled professionals on board, to a pax flight where a regular passenger takes a turn for the worse and very well may die if you don't get them to help fast enough?
Also, do you EVER back down or apologize? I certainly have not read all of your posts but I cannot recall you ever saying you were wrong or misspoke or are sorry. Hopefully you are not as aggressive in your personnel life.
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Every single time I flew an ambo flight we had skilled and qualified medical personnel on board, was your experience different? How can you compare a sick patient with skilled professionals on board, to a pax flight where a regular passenger takes a turn for the worse and very well may die if you don't get them to help fast enough?
Also, do you EVER back down or apologize? I certainly have not read all of your posts but I cannot recall you ever saying you were wrong or misspoke or are sorry. Hopefully you are not as aggressive in your personnel life.
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Cherry I Am Sorry You Got The Wrong Information From Porky. She Hides Behind Her Posts And Passes Out Information That Is Just Not True. One Must Ask What Is The Source For Any Rumor. Usajet Is Trying Hard To Expand Their Business, And I Just Hope They Can Do It Fast Enough To Recall All Terminated Pilots. Things Are Starting To Look Up For The Jet.
How many times in one's airline career does one have a medical emergency on board and find it necessary to get on the ground ASAP? The poster above seems to indicate it happens frequently to him, an apparent disaster and calamity magnet. (Remember, "Lord knows how often...")?
When one has a medical problem on board, one doesn't rush to the round ASAP. One flies the procedures, requests priority, and flies the airplane with only one purpose in mind; safety of flight. The hero mentality that causes some to rush through traffic is ridiculous, the mentality which demands getting to the ground in a big hurry, ASAP...a panic effort. You're not a doctor, you're a pilot; fly the procedure, do as ATC directs, land calmly and without rush. Rushing to get on the ground? I haven't seen a flight yet which has to be made, nor one that ought to be rushed.
Crikey; even most emergency services on the ground today don't permit their departmental vehicles to exceed 5-10 mph over the posted speed limit, by policy. Rushing to the ground? Unprofessional and inappropriate. If one's finding this to be a common occurence, especially as an airline pilot, then one is operating in a universe that doesn't exist for most of us...even those of us that have spent much of our careers in emergency operations.
Ah, it's you again. Slapped by a 14 year old really doesn't count for much more than an annoyance...and you...you're still haven't managed to crawl back from your pathetic poor research, bellymeister...did you educate yourself yet?
Fact is, it upsets you, and many others here, to be told that sitting in an air conditioned office high in the flight levels while pressing the occasional button...isn't really work. Employment yes, but work. Truth hurts, and all the whining and bleating to the contrary doesn't change it.
Thread drift? That happened several pages ago, perpetuated in a discussion between a member of USA Jet management and others in this thread. This is just a continuation thereof.
Some of you are truly amusing. The indignant self-righteousness when the newspapers don't deliver a rousing tribute to the challenging glory of pilot life. The idiotic, immature, unprofessional bouts of threats of violence over "guppy killer" stickers, the honest-to-goodness statements by some here who insist that they're a better person than the man on the street...because they fly. It really damages that image to learn that you may not be working as hard as the man "beneath" you who works three times as hard for a quarter the pay...and upon whose back you ride in your little office in the sky. Well, that's just tough.
Truth hurts. Deal with it.
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Main Entry:em·ploy·ment 
Pronunciation: \im-ˈplȯi-mənt\ Function:noun Date:15th century 1: use, purpose2 a: activity in which one engages or is employed <seeking gainful employment> b: an instance of such activity3: the act of employing : the state of being employed <employment of a pen in sketching>synonyms see work
Main Entry:1workPronunciation: \ˈwərk\ Function:noun Etymology:Middle English werk, work, from Old English werc, weorc; akin to Old High German werc work, Greek ergon, Avestan varəzem activityDate:before 12th century 1: activity in which one exerts strength or faculties to do or perform something: a: sustained physical or mental effort to overcome obstacles and achieve an objective or result b: the labor, task, or duty that is one's accustomed means of livelihood c: a specific task, duty, function, or assignment often being a part or phase of some larger activity 2 a: energy expended by natural phenomena b: the result of such energy <sand dunes are the work of sea and wind> c: the transference of energy that is produced by the motion of the point of application of a force and is measured by multiplying the force and the displacement of its point of application in the line of action3 a: something that results from a particular manner or method of working, operating, or devising <careful police work> <clever camera work> b: something that results from the use or fashioning of a particular material <porcelain work>4 a: a fortified structure (as a fort, earthen barricade, or trench) bplural : structures in engineering (as docks, bridges, or embankments) or mining (as shafts or tunnels)5plural but sing or plural in constr : a place where industrial labor is carried on : plant, factory6plural : the working or moving parts of a mechanism <the works of a clock>7 a: something produced or accomplished by effort, exertion, or exercise of skill <this book is the work of many hands> b: something produced by the exercise of creative talent or expenditure of creative effort : artistic production <an early work by a major writer>8plural : performance of moral or religious acts <salvation by works>9 a: effective operation : effect, result <wait for time to do its healing work> b: manner of working : workmanship, execution10: the material or piece of material that is operated upon at any stage in the process of manufacture11plural a: everything possessed, available, or belonging <the whole works, rod, reel, tackle box, went overboard> <ordered pizza with the works> b: subjection to drastic treatment : all possible abuse —usually used with get<get the works> or give<gave them the works>
— at work 1: engaged in working : busy; especially : engaged in one's regular occupation2: having effect : operating, functioning
— in the works : in process of preparation, development, or completion
— in work 1: in process of being done2of a horse : in training
— out of work : without regular employment : jobless
synonyms work, labor, travail, toil, drudgery, grind mean activity involving effort or exertion. work may imply activity of body, of mind, of a machine, or of a natural force <too tired to do any work>. labor applies to physical or intellectual work involving great and often strenuous exertion <farmers demanding fair compensation for their labor>. travail is bookish for labor involving pain or suffering <years of travail were lost when the house burned>. toil implies prolonged and fatiguing labor <his lot would be years of back-breaking toil>. drudgery suggests dull and irksome labor <an editorial job with a good deal of drudgery>. grind implies labor exhausting to mind or body <the grind of the assembly line>.
synonyms work, employment, occupation, calling, pursuit, métier, business mean a specific sustained activity engaged in especially in earning one's living. work may apply to any purposeful activity whether remunerative or not <her work as a hospital volunteer>. employment implies work for which one has been engaged and is being paid by an employer <your employment with this firm is hereby terminated>. occupation implies work in which one engages regularly especially as a result of training <his occupation as a trained auto mechanic>. calling applies to an occupation viewed as a vocation or profession <the ministry seemed my true calling>. pursuit suggests a trade, profession, or avocation followed with zeal or steady interest <her family considered medicine the only proper pursuit>. métier implies a calling or pursuit for which one believes oneself to be especially fitted <acting was my one and only métier>. business suggests activity in commerce or the management of money and affairs <the business of managing a hotel>.
Pronunciation: \im-ˈplȯi-mənt\ Function:noun Date:15th century 1: use, purpose2 a: activity in which one engages or is employed <seeking gainful employment> b: an instance of such activity3: the act of employing : the state of being employed <employment of a pen in sketching>synonyms see workMain Entry:1work
Pronunciation: \ˈwərk\ Function:noun Etymology:Middle English werk, work, from Old English werc, weorc; akin to Old High German werc work, Greek ergon, Avestan varəzem activityDate:before 12th century 1: activity in which one exerts strength or faculties to do or perform something: a: sustained physical or mental effort to overcome obstacles and achieve an objective or result b: the labor, task, or duty that is one's accustomed means of livelihood c: a specific task, duty, function, or assignment often being a part or phase of some larger activity 2 a: energy expended by natural phenomena b: the result of such energy <sand dunes are the work of sea and wind> c: the transference of energy that is produced by the motion of the point of application of a force and is measured by multiplying the force and the displacement of its point of application in the line of action3 a: something that results from a particular manner or method of working, operating, or devising <careful police work> <clever camera work> b: something that results from the use or fashioning of a particular material <porcelain work>4 a: a fortified structure (as a fort, earthen barricade, or trench) bplural : structures in engineering (as docks, bridges, or embankments) or mining (as shafts or tunnels)5plural but sing or plural in constr : a place where industrial labor is carried on : plant, factory6plural : the working or moving parts of a mechanism <the works of a clock>7 a: something produced or accomplished by effort, exertion, or exercise of skill <this book is the work of many hands> b: something produced by the exercise of creative talent or expenditure of creative effort : artistic production <an early work by a major writer>8plural : performance of moral or religious acts <salvation by works>9 a: effective operation : effect, result <wait for time to do its healing work> b: manner of working : workmanship, execution10: the material or piece of material that is operated upon at any stage in the process of manufacture11plural a: everything possessed, available, or belonging <the whole works, rod, reel, tackle box, went overboard> <ordered pizza with the works> b: subjection to drastic treatment : all possible abuse —usually used with get<get the works> or give<gave them the works>— at work 1: engaged in working : busy; especially : engaged in one's regular occupation2: having effect : operating, functioning
— in the works : in process of preparation, development, or completion
— in work 1: in process of being done2of a horse : in training
— out of work : without regular employment : jobless
synonyms work, labor, travail, toil, drudgery, grind mean activity involving effort or exertion. work may imply activity of body, of mind, of a machine, or of a natural force <too tired to do any work>. labor applies to physical or intellectual work involving great and often strenuous exertion <farmers demanding fair compensation for their labor>. travail is bookish for labor involving pain or suffering <years of travail were lost when the house burned>. toil implies prolonged and fatiguing labor <his lot would be years of back-breaking toil>. drudgery suggests dull and irksome labor <an editorial job with a good deal of drudgery>. grind implies labor exhausting to mind or body <the grind of the assembly line>.
synonyms work, employment, occupation, calling, pursuit, métier, business mean a specific sustained activity engaged in especially in earning one's living. work may apply to any purposeful activity whether remunerative or not <her work as a hospital volunteer>. employment implies work for which one has been engaged and is being paid by an employer <your employment with this firm is hereby terminated>. occupation implies work in which one engages regularly especially as a result of training <his occupation as a trained auto mechanic>. calling applies to an occupation viewed as a vocation or profession <the ministry seemed my true calling>. pursuit suggests a trade, profession, or avocation followed with zeal or steady interest <her family considered medicine the only proper pursuit>. métier implies a calling or pursuit for which one believes oneself to be especially fitted <acting was my one and only métier>. business suggests activity in commerce or the management of money and affairs <the business of managing a hotel>.
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Way2Broke
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Main Entry:1la·bor Pronunciation: \ˈlā-bər\ Function:noun Etymology:Middle English, from Anglo-French labur, from Latin labor; perhaps akin to Latin labare to totter, labi to slip — more at sleepDate:14th century 1 a: expenditure of physical or mental effort especially when difficult or compulsory b (1): human activity that provides the goods or services in an economy (2): the services performed by workers for wages as distinguished from those rendered by entrepreneurs for profits c: the physical activities (as dilation of the cervix and contraction of the uterus) involved in giving birth; also : the period of such labor2: an act or process requiring labor : task3: a product of labor4 a: an economic group comprising those who do manual labor or work for wages b (1): workers employed in an establishment (2): workers available for employment c: the organizations or officials representing groups of workers5usually Labour : the Labour party of the United Kingdom or of another part of the Commonwealth of Nationssynonyms see work
The bottom line here is employment and work are the same thing and you are arguing a social interpretation of the word work, which is highly objective. For example, a doctor may not physically exert him or herself in their occupation frequently, however, they are still working and have studied vigorously in the the past to obtain the skill set required to safely execute their job. A ditch digger, while not requiring the same type of education is still working when laboring at their place of employment. You might argue that there is a difference between employment and labor, in which case again Websters again says your wrong. If we are going to argue here let's at least argue something worth arguing. I see your point, but the way you are arguing it is incorrect, because put simply, being a pilot is work, however, it may not be as physically exerting as some other types of employment. Even this can be argued though, because pilots load and offload heavy cargo in cramped conditions in extreme hot or cold. During this part of a pilots job levels of physical exertion can rival that of a ditch digger.
Can we get back on subject now? The subject here is if USA Jet is for sell, and if it is for sell, what is for sell. We are also discussing if there will be more layoffs in the short term future at USA Jet, and what is the best plan for those that may be affected by such layoffs. We might even be discussing if Porky is a viable source for such information. Carry on.
Pronunciation: \ˈlā-bər\ Function:noun Etymology:Middle English, from Anglo-French labur, from Latin labor; perhaps akin to Latin labare to totter, labi to slip — more at sleepDate:14th century 1 a: expenditure of physical or mental effort especially when difficult or compulsory b (1): human activity that provides the goods or services in an economy (2): the services performed by workers for wages as distinguished from those rendered by entrepreneurs for profits c: the physical activities (as dilation of the cervix and contraction of the uterus) involved in giving birth; also : the period of such labor2: an act or process requiring labor : task3: a product of labor4 a: an economic group comprising those who do manual labor or work for wages b (1): workers employed in an establishment (2): workers available for employment c: the organizations or officials representing groups of workers5usually Labour : the Labour party of the United Kingdom or of another part of the Commonwealth of Nationssynonyms see workThe bottom line here is employment and work are the same thing and you are arguing a social interpretation of the word work, which is highly objective. For example, a doctor may not physically exert him or herself in their occupation frequently, however, they are still working and have studied vigorously in the the past to obtain the skill set required to safely execute their job. A ditch digger, while not requiring the same type of education is still working when laboring at their place of employment. You might argue that there is a difference between employment and labor, in which case again Websters again says your wrong. If we are going to argue here let's at least argue something worth arguing. I see your point, but the way you are arguing it is incorrect, because put simply, being a pilot is work, however, it may not be as physically exerting as some other types of employment. Even this can be argued though, because pilots load and offload heavy cargo in cramped conditions in extreme hot or cold. During this part of a pilots job levels of physical exertion can rival that of a ditch digger.
Can we get back on subject now? The subject here is if USA Jet is for sell, and if it is for sell, what is for sell. We are also discussing if there will be more layoffs in the short term future at USA Jet, and what is the best plan for those that may be affected by such layoffs. We might even be discussing if Porky is a viable source for such information. Carry on.
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Way2Broke
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Principal: Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Billy Madison: Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
Billy Madison: Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
USAJet/Activeaero closed the FA20 side of the house almost a month ago? The DC-9's appear to be in an uptempo operation frequency capping on some of the heavier FA20 work not brokered.
If things are looking up; trying to recall guys to fly the lear? Then why is it now taking an additional 2 weeks on top of the ridiculous 45+ days that it used to for Active to pay for brokered trips.
As a business owner, I refuse to do business with people that constantly change the rules and then encroach even those.
I stopped answering their calls to fly their work after they did w2b and his compatriots in the manner and in such proximity to the Mex. loss.
Even if they can get it "back" together, I can't see myself or my competitor's taking it in the rear the way the FA20 guys had to. I am not that hard-up for their business or the runaround on when a check will get cut for their work we flew 2 months ago.
A bit of a rant, but likely insightful for anyone "holding-out" for a call to return to work.
Some pages ago, I asked about Mx and was pleased to hear the pireps, what has become of the FA20 wrench turners?
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If things are looking up; trying to recall guys to fly the lear? Then why is it now taking an additional 2 weeks on top of the ridiculous 45+ days that it used to for Active to pay for brokered trips.
As a business owner, I refuse to do business with people that constantly change the rules and then encroach even those.
I stopped answering their calls to fly their work after they did w2b and his compatriots in the manner and in such proximity to the Mex. loss.
Even if they can get it "back" together, I can't see myself or my competitor's taking it in the rear the way the FA20 guys had to. I am not that hard-up for their business or the runaround on when a check will get cut for their work we flew 2 months ago.
A bit of a rant, but likely insightful for anyone "holding-out" for a call to return to work.
Some pages ago, I asked about Mx and was pleased to hear the pireps, what has become of the FA20 wrench turners?
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News update:
N327US has been parked and the engines removed to put them on N934US, the new pax aircraft. Looks like -17's are just to expensive. This is CH's way of expanding the pax biz. Park a freighter, up a pax. At this rate we will be out of the cargo biz in 4 years.
VIP's coming in on Wednesday to look at pax aircraft. Rumor has it 2 are for sale. Wonder what they will think when they see all the junk parked at the end of the ramp covered in bird poop?
More juicy news to come so stick around. I still have more to tell.
N327US has been parked and the engines removed to put them on N934US, the new pax aircraft. Looks like -17's are just to expensive. This is CH's way of expanding the pax biz. Park a freighter, up a pax. At this rate we will be out of the cargo biz in 4 years.
VIP's coming in on Wednesday to look at pax aircraft. Rumor has it 2 are for sale. Wonder what they will think when they see all the junk parked at the end of the ramp covered in bird poop?
More juicy news to come so stick around. I still have more to tell.
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A choice has to be made, pay you or buy 17 engines, they took the high road and elected to continue paying you . Have you noticed we will not miss 327 not flying. BTW They are not A/C buyers, they are charter customers who have heard about our growing passenger capability. Check back in a month see what is happenin, BTW2 again how much can you trust from a thing that hides behind a pig's name. Is that you Mary?
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elaborate on what, who Porky is? Additonal flyign coming up? the state of on-demand cargo business today?
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We won't miss N327US? Oh I see 4 DC-9 freighters are going to pay the bills. Wait a minute, I forgot PTM, and the 16-18 dollars a trip they bring in. Holy cow, I see the big picture. We needed a bank vault to store all that PTM money in so we parked N327US.
Give me a break. CH wants PTM to grow and USA JET to shrink.
I heard maintenance is going to remove the aux tanks from N934US. Why did they even buy a 34 series if they want a 32 series. Management has there heads up their @#$.
When I walk by, what was the engine shop and look in the windows I see 9+ JT8 engines just collecting dust. What about all that money just sitting in there. Can't we get something for them. Maybe -17's. Rumor has it that its somebodies retirement fund. MN or CH come to mind.
Increased flying for MYR huh, 5 days a week for 1 month then back to 1 time a week. Real money maker. I guess every little bit helps.
Remember to stay tuned for more info.
By the way Yip, I'm not Mary, just someone who hides behind a pig.
Give me a break. CH wants PTM to grow and USA JET to shrink.
I heard maintenance is going to remove the aux tanks from N934US. Why did they even buy a 34 series if they want a 32 series. Management has there heads up their @#$.
When I walk by, what was the engine shop and look in the windows I see 9+ JT8 engines just collecting dust. What about all that money just sitting in there. Can't we get something for them. Maybe -17's. Rumor has it that its somebodies retirement fund. MN or CH come to mind.
Increased flying for MYR huh, 5 days a week for 1 month then back to 1 time a week. Real money maker. I guess every little bit helps.
Remember to stay tuned for more info.
By the way Yip, I'm not Mary, just someone who hides behind a pig.
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I've noticed the on-demand lighter lift market has picked up dramatically lately. AKA: Lear Lets, and Falcons, Shorts, etc. As I understand it, this is typical for this time of the year.
Is this a second MYR contract that your speaking of or the same one that has been going on for a while now?
Is this a second MYR contract that your speaking of or the same one that has been going on for a while now?
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