US Airways' go-it-alone approach paying off

[TWA Dude]

So does the west feel like being reasonable or do they want to continue to throw lawsuits around?????

How can you type that with a straight face? Right after the Nic came out your MEC sued our MEC. From that point on all unreasonableness is from the East. What you want now is extortion.

Furloughs are done even across both sides.

furloughs are done in reverse seniority order. What you propose is out of seniority furloughs. Won't happen. That's why C&Rs are irrelevant.

You just have to face it: the Nic list was obtained through a fair and impartial process. Right now we have only the tyranny of the majority. The West can propose all we like but in the end the East can cram down whatever you like. That's why there's a DFR issue and it isn't going away. You want end this impasse? Easy: accept the Nic and we'll unite to get the best possible contract. Delay hurts y'all more than us.

 

[Crzipilot]

Well how can you say all unreasonableness comes from the east after that post?


As to the furloughs. Sure they are done by seniority, historically, but what prevents us from thinking outside if the box?

Either way it's pretty ibvios that a determined insistence on the nic is going to leave us right where we are? Reasonable huh?

 

[TWA Dude]

Well how can you say all unreasonableness comes from the east after that post?

Are you living in a vacuum? Did you not notice that the West has lost its ability to bargain as equals? Your proposals are irrelevant. With two MECs there was at least a chance for bilateral reasonableness. USAPA took that away PERMANENTLY. You're trying to turn the clock back but it cannot be done.

As to the furloughs. Sure they are done by seniority, historically, but what prevents us from thinking outside if the box?

Um, well your C&BLs for one. Cleary for two. But good luck with that anyway.

Either way it's pretty ibvios that a determined insistence on the nic is going to leave us right where we are? Reasonable huh?

Correct. Insisting on upholding agreements is definitely reasonable. Trying to throw out the Nic and impose your own list is not only unreasonable but it violates the law.

 

[Crzipilot]

Uhmmm...do you have reps in PHX??? Can they not bring ideas to the BPR, can that not be taken under consideration, and possibly implemented? Could or would these ideas from the west, possibly not satisfy those on the west?

You see it as not being able to negotiate, but if your ideas for C/R's can be implemented would that not be the same as having them negotiated?

Either way, just throwing ideas out there.....obviously something has to break the stale mate, but your obviously not willing to look for other ways besides an insistance for the NIC....

good luck with your endeavor...

 

[TWA Dude]

Uhmmm...do you have reps in PHX??? Can they not bring ideas to the BPR, can that not be taken under consideration, and possibly implemented?

Sure, as long as the rest of the BPR doesn't disagree -- which they will.

You see it as not being able to negotiate, but if your ideas for C/R's can be implemented would that not be the same as having them negotiated?

We can present all the ideas we like. The rest of the BPR will outvote us and end of story. There's a reason why ALPA Merger Policy had the two MECs negotiating as equals.

Either way, just throwing ideas out there.....obviously something has to break the stale mate, but your obviously not willing to look for other ways besides an insistance for the NIC....

Correct. We are entitled to the Nicolau list and if we don't get it it's DFR II. It's all up to you.

Now seriously, I appreciate that you're at least attempting to sound reasonable. But you're ignoring reality. We played by the rules and the East hasn't. We get that you don't think the Nic is fair but that's the risk you take in binding arbitration. There simply isn't any do-over. You don't get to change the rules in the middle of the game then tell us we're being unreasonable for not going along. You have no right to ignore the Nic and that's why we're in court.

 

[WickedPissa]

Tired of this. What if DOH stands when a TA finally arrives. East has more voters. "Third listers" should vote yes to get an hourly rate that can feed their family unless they have family/spouse/other on the west side. That would take the majority. End of story.

 

[Carl S.]

DOH is never going to arrive, but keep dreaming those USAPA induced DREAMS all you want. Try to stay in touch with reality once and awhile and do not use USAPA as your only source of info, unless you want to get CIRP involved once again.

 

[WickedPissa]

At this moment, is it not DOH?

 

[Cowboy75]

At this moment, is it not DOH?

Nope.

 

[WickedPissa]

What is it?​

 

[Cowboy75]

Which list has the company on record saying is the accepted list from court documents?

 

[WickedPissa]

DOH is never going to arrive, but keep dreaming those USAPA induced DREAMS all you want. Try to stay in touch with reality once and awhile and do not use USAPA as your only source of info, unless you want to get CIRP involved once again.

"once and awhile" ?

 

[WickedPissa]

Which list has the company on record saying is the accepted list from court documents?

I honestly don't know. I don't waste my free time researching company quotes on record. Why is the DOH thing back in court again? Would seem as if it were date of hire or west wouldn't be so sad right now.

 

[Cowboy75]

I honestly don't know. I don't waste my free time researching company quotes on record. Why is the DOH thing back in court again? Would seem as if it were date of hire or west wouldn't be so sad right now.

I would not say anyone on the west side is sad. I think the mood over here is energized since the 4th's ruling. Fund raising is going well to support active and pending legal action.

Word has it that there is a coalition of east and west pilots for a card drive to change bargaining agents.

What have you heard?

 

[St. Nic]

Word has it that there is a coalition of east and west pilots for a card drive to change bargaining agents.

What have you heard?

Ha! Chipper and his little clan will never get any support for ALPA- keep swimming up stream with that buddy!