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US Airways Final Recalls: Take it, or Leave it?

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To anyone considering the Gulf area..Emirates is a professional airline and run so, but it like most places is a JOB, if you have a career at home dont think of coming here Etihad is newborn and going through some tough times organizationally and is not an ideal place to move to just yet..GF is well...GF...good luck to you USAir guys looks like a BIG mess for the forseeable future, and my former colleagues at Cactus who look to be getting a good screwing in the process....
 
Little Duece, These guys cry foul when you speak about doing your job with a little pride...screw them. There is no job better than the one you look forward to doing. Maybe they felt that way once and now think the world owes them something. If they want to be miserable pricks, the rest of the employees will just treat them like the children they act like. Best of luck to you. You are a credit to your profession.

That's just my opinion, but then again I used to have a REAL job. Busting my ass six days a week doing iron work when I was younger makes this job that much sweeter. I go to work with a smile on my face every trip.

And no, this isn't Doug Parker.
 
Hey furloughedagain,

I have come to the same crossroads in my career too. I have struggled with my decision in 99 when I left a senior position at a LCC for Airways, to get furloughed, to a corporate job (which I did not like) and now at JB. I just turned down my 3rd recall too. Just know your not alone and your family comes first before any job. Like you, I too was hoping for a "no brainer" decision to return- and thats not the case. So whatever the final decision is- good luck and try not second guess yourself like I do......
 
XBoeingdriver,

I am constantly second-guessing myself. Just today I enjoyed a lobster roll at a little airport diner in Maine and thought, "This is the best job in the world".

Then, while #15 in line at an east-coast major airport as a storm rapidly approached the field and we all sat shut-down in the hold pad, I looked at the American MD80 parked next to us and thought, "Those lucky %$@# are getting paid by the minute!"

My thoughts about going back actually change back and forth depending on the time of day it seems.

Sad huh?
 
Thats funny as heck, I did the same thing when I flew corporate, I noticed all the little things I disliked about pt. 91 operations. Mostly the pay... the harder I work now- the more I make vs. I was salaried corp. pilot and they worked me like a rented mule with no extra pay, and numerous additional duties, oh yeah- and politics.

Good luck pal
 
Has anybody done the math to see who the new jumior man is? I'm trying to figure out how far back up the APL Charmane has to go. I don't have an updated APL, but who is 100 from the bottom excluding guys being HELD, on LOA, or MILITARY? Thanks for the guesses.

4lowed
 
Furloughed & X;
I feel you pain and remember the corporate days (even some with fondness). I will say this; when doing most 121 stuff you show up, get the release and WX, prepare the flight deck and walk around. You finish with final numbers and flight attendant secures the door. Your only interaction now is periodic PA's as necessary/needed.

Corporate (before you're even though 10K); "Hey, would you change the CD to Shania Twain! Oh, and get me a glass of red wine while you're up.":rolleyes:
 
Well you have a wrote a very compelling message, your not alone, but no opinion poll or anything we have to say is going to make you feel better or help make your choice...

Revist you priorities... Keep family in the forefront.. whats best for their furture... then look at your own needs and wants... break it down... your a pilot because you love to fly... what do you want to fly.... can you live with the way the industry is now... forget the past.. its spilled milk... will the coorporate job satisfy your flying ego? or do you need to the heavy metal? Aviation's future is always going to be a coin flip.. part 92/135 have good points and bad.. 121 work the same..

Write it all on a sheet of paper, pros/ cons... can you keep the family protected, what will keep your marrage intack, then what really makes you happiest.. once you make up your mind.. dont look back, ever...

It could get worse, believe me... I have been there... did the flight instruction, got my ATP at 25, flew for a regional then moved up to a major for 5 years, Captain for a year.. then blam.. and I mean crash and burn.. heart attack... by pass... career over.. gone... done it was like I had died even though my family was obviously very happy I was still alive... I was out.. sure I had some income.. but I was sick.. heart was broken.. I was mad for a long time, " how could this happen to me" alway took care of myself, did all the right things... just family genes caught up.. not fair... after taking everything in perspective.. I did an evaluation.. I still loved aviation... I still wanted to be around it, so what could I do.. I went back to the books and became a dispatcher... not the same... but I accepted the facts and it was the best I could do to keep the family supported and scratch my aviation itch.... so just remember.. no matter what your choice, somethings can come into your life that is totally unexpected and can crush you.. so enjoy the fact that you have the ability to "make a choice"

good luck to you.. search deep inside.. then move onward...
 
IMHO, I believe becket said it best.

The only thing that truly defines who you are and where you are going is your character.

A job is a job, your self definition (success or failure) is defined by something intangible inside yourself.

Character is Destiny.

I think FurloughedAgain's future is secure. In my experience everything happens for a reason - even if we never find out what that reason is.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Champ42272
 
Clearfortheapch,

A few years back I picked up a dispatchers rating "just in case". I'm glad to see that it worked out for you, but you've certainly made a lot of us realize how lucky we are to even have this choice to make.

I wish you the very best. Thanks.

Cactusboy,
<laughing> You know, i've heard of some corporate operators like that. I guess we're pretty lucky. Our passengers are very low-maintenance. We don't cater food or drink (other than bottled water) and other than the occasional, "It's too cold back here", they never disturb us while we are working. They are always friendly and appreciative.
 
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I think those are both excellent points. Most likely I will be following your advice and staying right where I am.

When I look around the industry at young pilots just starting out and I watch them tripping all over each other to get hired flying an RJ, or hear them talking about how JetBlue is the airline they've wanted to work for "their whole life", I can't help but wonder if I just lack the initiative to succeed in a major airline career.

I know that if 10 years ago I read a thread like this I would have thought, "He just didn't want it bad enough". I can't help but to wonder if that is how some of the young pilots who read these boards feel about me.
Furloughed:

As one of those "young guys" (thirty, is that young?) about to transition to an LCC, I think you're spot on. I already have a small family and am making my decisions based on what will benefit us, not on flying a bigger airplane.

I too grew up with dreams of flying for USAir as I had family on the ground operations side (I'm the first pilot). My first trip overseas was in a PI 767 and I remember walking through the brand-new PIT terminal with awe. Now after flying for a carrier with a large amount of US feed I wouldn't touch the "new LCC" with a ten-foot pole even if they were hiring into Group II positions. In short this young guy has no illusions about what the career is now and I certainly don't "want it" the way I did ten, fifteen years ago. I know if I sentenced myself to eternal reserve in Philly I'd spend every day in the crash pad wondering what my son was up to that day. Good luck in whatever you decide.
 
I too, would like to share my thoughts on the notion of returning to USAirways. I intend to pass on USAirays for the non sched North American Airlines, which is where I am presently employed. I would like to share a brief synopsis of how I got to this point in my career and what I have learned aong the way. My first airline was GLA, I chose to fly for Great Lakes at lower pay, because I did not think it was right for a pilot to pay for his training. I was furloughed and subsequetly hired at Piedmont ( the old Henson Airlines), flying DHC 8 a/c. I upgraded in two and half years and flew as a Captain for four years. I was in the first class of pilots from the wholly owned USAirways Express carriers to fly the E170 for USAirways, MidAtlantic Airways. We were a tight group of pilots, we went by the motto 'All or None'. It was awesome, working at MidAtlantic. The pay was less than DHC 8 Captain pay, but it was enjoyable and I was still able to provide for my family. When we were furloughed and placed on the USAirways seniority list awaiting recall there were mixed emotions. It sucked being furoughed, but it felt warm and fuzzy knowing you had something to come back to. Furlough, aftr all, is part of the industry right? The AWA and USAirways merger created some anxiety for those of us that came from the Wholly owned's (CEL guys). There were rumors that we would have our names removed from the seniority list and lose that warm and fuzzy recall feeling. The integration was handled by a mediator that ulitmately decided on combined seniority list that truly favored the pilots at AWA, stapling all the furloughed USAirways pilots below the most junior AWA pilot. Now facing a recall to USAirways, comfortable at North American Airlines flying 757, and 767 a/c all over the word, you might say I am enjoying flying again. While we do have our share of uncertainty here at NAA as well, the future seems brighter here. The health insurance is better, the pay is better and will improve as we struggle to secure our first contract. USAirways offers me a recall with less comprehensive health insurance, less pay and the guarantee of bottom reserve for quite some time.
Perhaps it is the notion of returning to a Legacy Carrier, an airline whose history and name mean something to the public which causes me to even consider returning. I too feel like I have failed in the career having interviewed with; JetBlue, Airtran, and even FedEx.....without a job offer. I have landed at NAA. For some, that may seem like a farm team, not making it, not having the right stuff. Originally when I started this career, I thought I would end up at a major, but now........the majors are calling and everything in the minor leagues seems so much better. I make my decision to pass at USAirways on the information I have at hand. That is how an aviator should execute the decision making process, based on the best available information. It could turn out to be the wrong decision, but like an earlier post suggested, if you are able to enjoy what you do, and provide for your family, than you are a success. I have enjoyed reading the thoughts of fellow aviators on this subject of having to chose, and I hope that perhaps my experience and perspective may help others with this choice.

I apologize for the length of this submission, but I wish to say one more thing.

While at NAA, I had an amazing experience on the ramp in Kuwait City were I was able to bring a young Air Force Captains video message home to his parents , who had not talked to him in a while, saying " he was Ok...talk to you soon".

One of the very best experiences avaition has offered me.

God Bless.
 
I too, would like to share my thoughts on the notion of returning to USAirways. I intend to pass on USAirays for the non sched North American Airlines, which is where I am presently employed. I would like to share a brief synopsis of how I got to this point in my career and what I have learned aong the way. My first airline was GLA, I chose to fly for Great Lakes at lower pay, because I did not think it was right for a pilot to pay for his training. I was furloughed and subsequetly hired at Piedmont ( the old Henson Airlines), flying DHC 8 a/c. I upgraded in two and half years and flew as a Captain for four years. I was in the first class of pilots from the wholly owned USAirways Express carriers to fly the E170 for USAirways, MidAtlantic Airways. We were a tight group of pilots, we went by the motto 'All or None'. It was awesome, working at MidAtlantic. The pay was less than DHC 8 Captain pay, but it was enjoyable and I was still able to provide for my family. When we were furloughed and placed on the USAirways seniority list awaiting recall there were mixed emotions. It sucked being furoughed, but it felt warm and fuzzy knowing you had something to come back to. Furlough, aftr all, is part of the industry right? The AWA and USAirways merger created some anxiety for those of us that came from the Wholly owned's (CEL guys). There were rumors that we would have our names removed from the seniority list and lose that warm and fuzzy recall feeling. The integration was handled by a mediator that ulitmately decided on combined seniority list that truly favored the pilots at AWA, stapling all the furloughed USAirways pilots below the most junior AWA pilot. Now facing a recall to USAirways, comfortable at North American Airlines flying 757, and 767 a/c all over the word, you might say I am enjoying flying again. While we do have our share of uncertainty here at NAA as well, the future seems brighter here. The health insurance is better, the pay is better and will improve as we struggle to secure our first contract. USAirways offers me a recall with less comprehensive health insurance, less pay and the guarantee of bottom reserve for quite some time.
Perhaps it is the notion of returning to a Legacy Carrier, an airline whose history and name mean something to the public which causes me to even consider returning. I too feel like I have failed in the career having interviewed with; JetBlue, Airtran, and even FedEx.....without a job offer. I have landed at NAA. For some, that may seem like a farm team, not making it, not having the right stuff. Originally when I started this career, I thought I would end up at a major, but now........the majors are calling and everything in the minor leagues seems so much better. I make my decision to pass at USAirways on the information I have at hand. That is how an aviator should execute the decision making process, based on the best available information. It could turn out to be the wrong decision, but like an earlier post suggested, if you are able to enjoy what you do, and provide for your family, than you are a success. I have enjoyed reading the thoughts of fellow aviators on this subject of having to chose, and I hope that perhaps my experience and perspective may help others with this choice.

I apologize for the length of this submission, but I wish to say one more thing.

While at NAA, I had an amazing experience on the ramp in Kuwait City were I was able to bring a young Air Force Captains video message home to his parents , who had not talked to him in a while, saying " he was Ok...talk to you soon".

One of the very best experiences avaition has offered me.

God Bless.
 
Has anybody done the math to see who the new jumior man is? I'm trying to figure out how far back up the APL Charmane has to go. I don't have an updated APL, but who is 100 from the bottom excluding guys being HELD, on LOA, or MILITARY? Thanks for the guesses.

4lowed

This is a very tough one since before reaching the bottom, we don't know who accepted. I would suspect almost all of the former CEL pilots accepted a position. I personally know of two that will not. The "raw" numbers are as follows. I counted up 100 spots from the APL skipping all that are frozen. That put me at seniority number 4529 with a DOH of 1-17-2000. My guess is that many accepted that are not shown as such on the APL list I was using (4-12-07), so i counted up an additional 50 positions which put me at seniority number 4476 with a DOH of 11-29-1999. I'm hoping to get an updated APL list soon and will post if I find any more info...
 
W_lloughby,

I know a few guys from ATA who went to NorthAmerican. Sounds like a pretty good operation. I wish you luck. Who knows? They may be the next successful LCC.

I was at AirTran for a brief time in 1998 and left there (well, was technically furloughed) to go to US Airways. Had I known then that they would be as successful as they are today, perhaps I would have gone back to AirTran when recalled instead of accepting USAir...

...Nah, probably not.
 

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