US Airways Contract Projections

[Turtle21]

Agreements are not forged in the fringes of extremes. Conversations at Dallas this week won't even go there. All bets are that the opportunity to move forward won't be scuttled.

 

[charlie2]

A Usapa supporter suggesting integrity, that's rich! Merry Loa93 Xmas (what are you going on 10 years of it). Still waiting for usapas lup to materialize. What's the hold up?

Glad you like my avatar Chuck Duece.

Chuck Duece...I like it! I hope you read the book "Flying the Line" Vol 1 and 2. Airline managements will try their very hardest to keep your pay and bennies as low as possible and due to force majour, chap 11 and the good old RLA they will always win. I would estimate that about 75% of the pilots I fly with have their own business as do I, so with our extra income the low rates don't bother me and many other LCC pilots as much as you are assuming. I SAP down to mins every month. I would recommend to any airline pilot to establish a safety net.

 

[Metrojet]

I'm still not sure what you guys and gals are not understanding. We are OK with these rates as opposed to your new hires being our captains. No your guys who were still in training at the time of the merger WILL NOT BE MY CAPTAIN. This is not opinion it is fact. How is your nic working for you so far? I don't think it's working out to well for you...look at the list.

Hey superrobin grow up and get some integrity and respect for women and remove your teenage type avatar. You're one of those AWA new hires aren't you.

Oh c'mon there charlie2 -

The former AWA guys could never be your Captain if the Nic was active - cause when they closed the LAS base - all those West pilots would have displaced all you junior East guys onto the street - so it would have been the fairest way ya know - a base that the EAST never had closes and all those former West Captains and First officers come and fly East.

One more thing - I was wrong about "They could never be your Captain" - I guess when you would have to go looking for another job - they could be the crew on your plane!

 

[get2flyin]

I'm still not sure what you guys and gals are not understanding. We are OK with these rates as opposed to your new hires being our captains. No your guys who were still in training at the time of the merger WILL NOT BE MY CAPTAIN. This is not opinion it is fact. How is your nic working for you so far? I don't think it's working out to well for you...look at the list.

Hey superrobin grow up and get some integrity and respect for women and remove your teenage type avatar. You're one of those AWA new hires aren't you.

And a pilot who was furloughed at the time of the merger will never be mine.

 

[charlie2]

And a pilot who was furloughed at the time of the merger will never be mine.

How's the nic working out for ya?

 

[charlie2]

Oh c'mon there charlie2 -

The former AWA guys could never be your Captain if the Nic was active - cause when they closed the LAS base - all those West pilots would have displaced all you junior East guys onto the street - so it would have been the fairest way ya know - a base that the EAST never had closes and all those former West Captains and First officers come and fly East.

One more thing - I was wrong about "They could never be your Captain" - I guess when you would have to go looking for another job - they could be the crew on your plane!

First of all it's now Chuck Deuce but every thing else you said is spot on!

 

[doh]

Ethics depends on individual vantage point. If you asked the 3000 US east pilots all will tell you that the Nic IS UNETHICAL. I will advise you in a fact of life. Nothing good or bad lasts FOREVER.. My bad will soon come to an end, one way or the other.. In your case, better start saving for the inevitable..
Again I reiterate, put your money were your mouth is. If not, then STFU!!

And I'll pass on taking advice from an unethical liar who lives on regional wages. STFU indeed.

 

[B-atch]

And I'll pass on taking advice from an unethical liar who lives on regional wages. STFU indeed.

What I "live on" is non of your business. I can assure you that what I make is far beyond what YOU may expect. I too choose to fly as little as possible and place my focus on other ventures. Most guys here are doing the same. Seniority IS NOT FOR SALE!! You can sit there in the confines of your pathetic little world and spew insults to those that most likely came before you. I can care less. The reality is the Nic is dead, and most on the east will see incredible upward movement as WE recapture OUR attrition..If this bothers you, then go ahead and vent. Carry on with the insults and child play. I've got better things to do than argue with a hypocrite such as your self...
If the shoe were on the other foot.......

 

[doh]

What I "live on" is non of your business. I can assure you that what I make is far beyond what YOU may expect. I too choose to fly as little as possible and place my focus on other ventures. Most guys here are doing the same. Seniority IS NOT FOR SALE!! You can sit there in the confines of your pathetic little world and spew insults to those that most likely came before you. I can care less. The reality is the Nic is dead, and most on the east will see incredible upward movement as WE recapture OUR attrition..If this bothers you, then go ahead and vent. Carry on with the insults and child play. I've got better things to do than argue with a hypocrite such as your self...
If the shoe were on the other foot.......

If the shoe were on the other foot, I would abide by the agreement that I entered into. I am not an unethical liar like you and your ilk.

 

[B-atch]

If the shoe were on the other foot, I would abide by the agreement that I entered into. I am not an unethical liar like you and your ilk.

Hypocrite.......

 

[Turtle21]

Extreme opinions won't likely find much head space in Dallas this week.

 

[Superbird]

Extreme opinions won't likely find much head space in Dallas this week.

In other words, usapas dream of DOH is dead and gone. What a waste of time and money supporting Usapa. I'd be peeved if I were an east pilot who kept swallowing the bait from the dream weavers. You've been played.

 

[charlie2]

In other words, usapas dream of DOH is dead and gone. What a waste of time and money supporting Usapa. I'd be peeved if I were an east pilot who kept swallowing the bait from the dream weavers. You've been played.

This is Chuck Duece checking in. I don't want DOH, but will fight for it if I have to consider the nic, and have told my reps. I don't want your guys who were still in training at the time of the merger to be my Captain. I want some credit for my service to a company which paid high dollars to the wonderfull managent and the share holders and by law got to screw their creditors with the great Ch 11 system we have.

 

[sean67]

In other words, usapas dream of DOH is dead and gone. What a waste of time and money supporting Usapa. I'd be peeved if I were an east pilot who kept swallowing the bait from the dream weavers. You've been played.

I believe that APA has an age group and seniority level compareable to the "East". Why do you think that they would embrace"The nic"? On another note, I really hope that if this merger comes to fruition, that it will be done with the expediancy of the Delta/ NWA merger. I think this matchup has great potential.

 

[becket]

I believe that APA has an age group and seniority level compareable to the "East". Why do you think that they would embrace"The nic"? On another note, I really hope that if this merger comes to fruition, that it will be done with the expediancy of the Delta/ NWA merger. I think this matchup has great potential.

APA has as much choice in the Nic As USTUPID. NONE. They inherit the DFR. Nothing on record should encourage any opinion otherwise.

 

[DYLIN]

I think this matchup has great potential.

I don't know.

I see a lot of positives to it, but I also think that the network itself -- the route map -- has a lot of overlap.

If that proved to be true, it would benefit the company more than the pilots. Who knows . . . we'll see what happens.

 

[charlie2]

I don't know.

I see a lot of positives to it, but I also think that the network itself -- the route map -- has a lot of overlap.

If that proved to be true, it would benefit the company more than the pilots. Who knows . . . we'll see what happens.

You haven't seen the route maps. There is very little overlap.

 

[Superbird]

I believe that APA has an age group and seniority level compareable to the "East". Why do you think that they would embrace"The nic"? On another note, I really hope that if this merger comes to fruition, that it will be done with the expediancy of the Delta/ NWA merger. I think this matchup has great potential.

Yes a merger would be nice. We'd get to burn the embarrassing uniforms we have to share with the east. APA is well aware of how Usapa does bizness (intentionally misspelled). The industry is well aware how "solid" usapas integrity is. (or isnt).

 

[Superbird]

What I "live on" is non of your business. I can assure you that what I make is far beyond what YOU may expect. I too choose to fly as little as possible and place my focus on other ventures. Most guys here are doing the same. Seniority IS NOT FOR SALE!! You can sit there in the confines of your pathetic little world and spew insults to those that most likely came before you. I can care less. The reality is the Nic is dead, and most on the east will see incredible upward movement as WE recapture OUR attrition..If this bothers you, then go ahead and vent. Carry on with the insults and child play. I've got better things to do than argue with a hypocrite such as your self...
If the shoe were on the other foot.......

Most east guys have to focus elsewhere as the current pay and work rules are dismal. As for seniority not being for sale, it's too bad your east pilots never had the chance to prove you wrong with a vote. I'd bet a contract would pass if presented with AA pay using the Nic, Usapa wont let a vote happen. They must be afraid that it would pass and the AFO's running Usapa would be -SOLD OUT.

 

[Superbird]

This is Chuck Duece checking in. I don't want DOH, but will fight for it if I have to consider the nic, and have told my reps. I don't want your guys who were still in training at the time of the merger to be my Captain. I want some credit for my service to a company which paid high dollars to the wonderfull managent and the share holders and by law got to screw their creditors with the great Ch 11 system we have.

How much time of service did you have? Where do you think you deserve to be? It sounds like you dont "want" doh, but you want all the reward for a growing company.

 

[charlie2]

How much time of service did you have? Where do you think you deserve to be? It sounds like you dont "want" doh, but you want all the reward for a growing company.

Hey strip club man or woman I only had 16 years of service at my company. I think you should go back to putting dollar bills in G-strings which I did once when I was 20 but being a mature family man I don't do that any more. Are you over compensating for being a homo? I retired from the United States Marine Corps so I have way more "service" then could get in two life times.

 

[Superbird]

Hey strip club man or woman I only had 16 years of service at my company. I think you should go back to putting dollar bills in G-strings which I did once when I was 20 but being a mature family man I don't do that any more. Are you over compensating for being a homo? I retired from the United States Marine Corps so I have way more "service" then could get in two life times.

Marines know about Honor and Integrity, stop imitating one.

 

[doh]

Hypocrite.......

Yawn, unethical liar.

 

[Superbird]

Hey strip club man or woman I only had 16 years of service at my company. I think you should go back to putting dollar bills in G-strings which I did once when I was 20 but being a mature family man I don't do that any more. Are you over compensating for being a homo?I retired from the United States Marine Corps so I have way more "service" then could get in two life times.

Charlie Doosh,

You've resorted to name calling and attempted insults; i must have struck a nerve.

Try to keep your frustration under control. Stay calm. Start by putting on your uniform and address your ego in the mirror. Once you accept that you support a dishonorable "union" and its DOH scheme has been a failure to all, you will be able to move forward. Your family will thank you.

And I am fine with my masculinity, thank you for your concern. Btw, are you hiding something? Is there something you've been suppressing and would like to share???

 

[charlie2]

Marines know about Honor and Integrity, stop imitating one.

Ya but ya forgot about one little detail and you civilian never served but want to be served types will never understand this...Marines fight.

 

[Superbird]

Ya but ya forgot about one little detail and you civilian never served but want to be served types will never understand this...Marines fight.

Correction, Marines know when to fight. They also recognize when they are losing. See the difference? You're running out of ammo.

 

[charlie2]

Charlie Doosh,

You've resorted to name calling and attempted insults; i must have struck a nerve.

Try to keep your frustration under control. Stay calm. Start by putting on your uniform and address your ego in the mirror. Once you accept that you support a dishonorable "union" and its DOH scheme has been a failure to all, you will be able to move forward. Your family will thank you.

And I am fine with my masculinity, thank you for your concern. Btw, are you hiding something? Is there something you've been suppressing and would like to share???

When my grandchildren visit I don't open this site because of people like you who have avatars showing a naked women on a pole with a that caption. Grow up.

 

[charlie2]

Correction, Marines know when to fight. They also recognize when they are losing. See the difference? You're running out of ammo.

I'm never out of ammo and before a Marine asks for food he will ask for more ammo. Joined Sept 78 retired sep 2007. Best damn gun club in the world. My service has nothing to do with a corrupt worthless "union" called ALPA with meaningless "No windfalls" rules. You mam are working under your ALPA contract...what's your problem?

 

[Superbird]

When my grandchildren visit I don't open this site because of people like you who have avatars showing a naked women on a pole with a that caption. Grow up.

Maybe this year, you should have your grandchildren read the Nicolau Award to you in its entirety, followed by the Addington transcripts and including Judge Wake and Judge Silver. Those little guys and gals may be able to clue you in on the facts and explain to you what you are failing to see. Integrity matters Marine.

Dont get all worked up over my avatar, rather stick to the facts and important details. I may change it just for you.

 

[Superbird]

I'm never out of ammo and before a Marine asks for food he will ask for more ammo. Joined Sept 78 retired sep 2007. Best damn gun club in the world. My service has nothing to do with a corrupt worthless "union" called ALPA with meaningless "No windfalls" rules. You mam are working under your ALPA contract...what's your problem?

Would you consider usapa corrupt? And its Sir to you.