US Airways Contract Projections

[Bringupthebird]

How many folks are moving to a higher paying position as a direct result of the new bid? How many are not moving to a higher paying position due to seat lock or the upward movement doesn't get them out of their current position?

Do you feel that the benefit to those who are enjoying $$ producing movement outweighs the negative effects on every other pilot, especially when the NIC would have produced an equal movement for virtually every pilot (aside from the ex-furloughees/MDA who are reaping an obscene windfall)?

For the vast majority of pilots, the NIC made a single-digit percentage difference in their relative position, so while the east may howl about the grizzled veteran being placed by the new-hire, the truth is that most folk's upgrades were not going to be materially affected by the NIC. Yes they would have to wait for a short additional time, but that time would have passed by now. So enjoy your upgrade into FO industry wages. Eventually those who are currently feeding at the trough (at the expense of everyone else) will be looking for more money to go with their additional stripe and the NIC will be waiting. The courts have not weighed in on the NIC because they feel a ratified contract is necessary to prove damages. The only damages that a court could reasonably expect to hand out would be against the USAPA pilots not named in the West Class. That would be YOU!

 

[Bringupthebird]

No matter what happens, sooner or later it ends in a settlement, after folks start talking to each other.

So you're saying eventually the courts will say "Binding Arbitration really isn't worth anything". That's what you are expecting to see in a settlement?

Really?

The west will eventually make their way into the Check Airmen positions. We're big on Memory Items for a reason!:laugh:

 

[Turtle21]

How many folks are moving to a higher paying position as a direct result of the new bid?

West pilots, Zero.

East Pilots:

141 new captain awards on A330, 767, 737, 320
181 New FO bids
98 New FOs on A330, 767
Untold numbers of people getting off reserve across all types

 

[reepicheep]

They're right......USAPA was formed not to get a DOH list but simply to delay implementation of the Nic. at all cots. So far it's a home run. The east pilots knew what Airways' high costs were gonna do to the west - just like PSA and Piedmont before them. They also knew that scheduling efficiencies tend to favor using east coast crews just like at other airlines. They knew what would happen once attrition and a little growth kicked in. Sometimes the bad guys win.

 

[Turtle21]

They're right......USAPA was formed not to get a DOH list but simply to delay implementation of the Nic. at all cots. So far it's a home run. The east pilots knew what Airways' high costs were gonna do to the west - just like PSA and Piedmont before them. They also knew that scheduling efficiencies tend to favor using east coast crews just like at other airlines. They knew what would happen once attrition and a little growth kicked in. Sometimes the bad guys win.

The time for pointing fingers of who is right and wrong is past. It has't helped anything and it won't get West pilots a seat on the the attrition train. Former Piedmont and PSA pilots are doing just fine with their DOH.

 

[Flybywire44]

West pilots, Zero.

East Pilots:

141 new captain awards on A330, 767, 737, 320
181 New FO bids
98 New FOs on A330, 767
Untold numbers of people getting off reserve across all types

Just wait till the May bid posts.

 

[Turtle21]

Just wait till the May bid posts.

The West or East May bid?

If I were a West pilot I would be telling my West BPR reps to start talking with the other reps to change the CB&L DOH to LOS, yesterday.

 

[zymotic]

This latest bid had 29 retirements. A relatively low number compared to what's coming. Of those retirements, 25 were Captains and only 4 F/O's...

Also this bid has 96 Captain vacancies (only 9 in the 190). So those old F/O's are all upgrading. And the F/O's right behind them are moving into the 75/76 and the 330 positions. All those F/O positions pay more than any West equipment. So almost 100 new Captains and massive movement into the widebodies... That's just on ONE bid! Many more bids to come soon, probably with even greater movement...

So I think we are ok with separate ops... Even Dave Odell is on the Airbus in DCA with over 179 pilots below him company wide. Add to that the 133 un-filled positions on this bid and he will have 312 pilots below him by March. He missed the 767 by 44 numbers. The next bid could see him flying to Europe in a 767, something not available to him in PHX. And that is on a 2008 DOH. I'm sure he would like a DOH seniority list to move him up to a 2005 DOH. But ya never know...

Perhaps you are OK with LOA 93. I'm still an airbus F/O on reserve making about 30K less than my counterpart at Delta with 7 days of vacation. I couldn't even make as much as a Delta 320 F/O if I was on the 330 and no amount of attrition will even get me to two weeks of vacation for years to come.

 

[LaGarbage Man]

Hey Z what you doing lurking here. Waiting for the game to start ?

 

[zymotic]

Hey Z what you doing lurking here. Waiting for the game to start ?

I don't have cable or satellite so no MNF for me. Perhaps I'll get it when I get paid what other airline pilots make.