Upgrade at Mesa has soared to 3.5+ years at Mesa

[johnsonrod]

Pretty soon bidding the China flying will become more attractive than US flying at Mesa.

I know Republic is hiring in a major way - and you get to fly much nicer equipment (Mesa fleet seems very ratty). If you are very junior (not near upgrade) and you meet Republic's minimums I would seriously consider it. Get out of Mesa while you still can!!!!!!!! It's like the Titanic.

 

[Soverytired]

Get out of Mesa while you still can!!!!!!!! It's like the Titanic.

Yeah, except the captain of the Titanic had enough sense of honor to go down with his ship after he sunk it.

That Mesa CEO will be the first to jump off when the inevitable happens, and will no doubt loot the treasury first too.

 

[Nevets]

I hope all the SkyWest pilots read this thread...a lot of them seem to feel that once you have a "contract" management can't violate it.
HA

And if they do, pilots can grieve it. Right now, if Skywest management wanted to change your "tems of employment" they just do it without pilots having ANY recourse other than just taking it or quiting.

But if Skywest management is as benevolent as many make them out to be, there will be no greivances to file.

 

[Nevets]

legal recourse...oh yeah that's effective. Hey 5 years after it's settled you'll get your check for $100.

Five years? What evidence do you have that greivances take fives years to be settled? Each greivance has its own remedy. Some may be worth more than others. At XJT, the last one we won was worth over $400K!

 

[Nevets]

Sounds like the standard ALPA advise. "Fly it now...Grieve it later". MUCH later (years) it is either settled with a very small monetary compensation, or it is forgiven as part of the next contract negotiations.

Its not standard ALPA advice. Its federal law. Its called the Railroad Labor Act. But at least you have a legal recourse. At Skywest, they just do it and you take it our quit.

By the way, it doesn't take years. Each greivance has its own remedy that may be worth hundreds to one pilot our thousands to all pilots. Nothing is forgiven. It is used as negoatiating leverage for the CURRENT contract. This is how many contracts are amended before its amendable date.

 

[eaglefly]

Yeah, except the captain of the Titanic had enough sense of honor to go down with his ship after he sunk it.

That Mesa CEO will be the first to jump off when the inevitable happens, and will no doubt loot the treasury first too.

It is my guess he's already transferring money and assets to protected places. Many believe (myself included) J.O. to be corrupt. He's certainly ethically bankrupt.

Mesa is in the early-mid stages of collapse. Its business philosophy was time limited as sooner or later, something like what's happening there would've occured.

We can only hope Mesa ceases operations ASAP and somehow J.O. goes to Prison. With his money though, he'll more than likely "O.J." his way out of trouble.

Let's not forget that when he was a stockbroker (with numerous terminations on his resume), he had a history of unauthorized trading, misrepresntation and DOCUMENT ALTERATION. He was initially fined and suspended and finally the government revoked his license.

Google "Johnathan Ornstein" and select the Wikipedia Bio...................and smell the stench.

Mesa pilots, THIS is the cockroach you've hitched your trailer to.

Enjoy your Mesa career.

 

[dooork]

It is my guess he's already transferring money and assets to protected places. Many believe (myself included) J.O. to be corrupt. He's certainly ethically bankrupt.

Mesa is in the early-mid stages of collapse. Its business philosophy was time limited as sooner or later, something like what's happening there would've occured.

We can only hope Mesa ceases operations ASAP and somehow J.O. goes to Prison. With his money though, he'll more than likely "O.J." his way out of trouble.

Let's not forget that when he was a stockbroker (with numerous terminations on his resume), he had a history of unauthorized trading, misrepresntation and DOCUMENT ALTERATION. He was initially fined and suspended and finally the government revoked his license.

Google "Johnathan Ornstein" and select the Wikipedia Bio...................and smell the stench.

Mesa pilots, THIS is the cockroach you've hitched your trailer to.

Enjoy your Mesa career.

Hey...F.U. He was'nt here when some of us got on board. We want him and M.L. gone, a decent contract and the contiuation of jobs for the people here. You think your regional is so much better...you are a joke! Gee look at me I'm the 3rd tallest midget in the room. HA.

 

[eaglefly]

Hey...F.U. He was'nt here when some of us got on board. We want him and M.L. gone, a decent contract and the contiuation of jobs for the people here. You think your regional is so much better...you are a joke! Gee look at me I'm the 3rd tallest midget in the room. HA.

I'm entitled to my opinion and that's what it is.

Mesa sucked even before J.O. when they paid by the mile. Mesa has always been considered by most to be the "worst of the worst" regionals to work for along with certain hack 1900 outfits. A flying sweatshop, where pilots fly with splinters in their backs.

Obviously you signed up for it many years ago and have continued to tolerate it after many years.................how smart is that ?

Your erronous theory that all the other regionals aren't much better simply because your own experience is only with Mesa, is ...............well, erronous.

My guess is Mesa will end up under BK by the time all the lawsuits mangle Mesa's finances. I wouldn't be surprised if many of your mainline partners are in the early stages of figuring out how to bail from Mesa association as apparently you're cancelling large amounts of flying as the managment burns the furniture to heat their house. Perhaps Mesa will move all their RJ's to China ?

Good luck on your new contract when the BK demon knocks on Mesa's door.

 

[siucavflight]

Wow dork.

 

[FirstMate]

If you guys let the current trend continue, you won't be able to tell the difference between MESA and Skywest.

Whats the difference?

 

[Soverytired]

I'm entitled to my opinion and that's what it is.

You certainly are.

But you can't expect 5000 employees to agree with your basic premise that the company is unsaveable and they should all be out on the street just because their CEO is a ******************************.

(But then most airline CEO's are. Mesa's is exceptionally ******************************-y, and that's saying something)

Nor has it always been as bad as you make out. I very much enjoyed about 2/3rds of my tenure there. It's really gone down the crapper in the past few years though.



(how odd. ******** = D-0-U-C-H-E. I can't believe a routine female cleansing ritual is filtered)

 

[RP170]

Google "Johnathan Ornstein" and select the Wikipedia Bio...................and smell the stench.

"A former stockbroker, Ornstein's license was revoked by the federal government. Over nine years, he bounced around around five firms, getting fired, from several. Why? A lengthy disciplinary record — the official printout is 21-feet long — charging unauthorized trading, misrepresentation, document alteration and churning. Eventually, Ornstein was fined $20,000 and suspended as a broker for three years."

Source: Wikipedia

And people work there because...........?