Upgrade at Mesa has soared to 3.5+ years at Mesa

[Peter Griffin]

you have alpa....
thats the one reason...

I hope that my fellow SkyWest pilots see that alpa is pretty much powerless... the company, be it mesa or SkyWest can do what they want... to put it in tommy boys words... ill crap in a box and put a stamp on it for you!.. there is alpa- oh yeah minus 2% yeah yeah local i know ive heard it all...

nice try at a thread hijack :smash:

 

[BigLebowski]

I hope all the SkyWest pilots read this thread...a lot of them seem to feel that once you have a "contract" management can't violate it.
HA

 

[LogbookSlave]

You obviously don't listen (read), we know that the company can violate the contract . . . but with a union we will at least have LEGAL recourse in those situations.

 

[BigLebowski]

legal recourse...oh yeah that's effective. Hey 5 years after it's settled you'll get your check for $100.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

I was at an ALPA carrier.

They furloughed OUT OF SENIORITY ORDER, to save $ up front.

A number of guys flew for months longer than they should have, and built up a bunch of flight time (this was a regional, and most of us needed the flight time bad).

After about a year, it was settled. The airline was forced to recall in seniority order. I believe they also had to give longevity, for pay, seniority and vacation to all the furloughees, however, this may have already been part of the contract.

Bottom line, some guys got more time to find a new job, more pay, and more flying hours than they should have-no compensation was received for those furloughed out of order.

cliff
YIP

 

[xjcaptain]

Sounds like the standard ALPA advise. "Fly it now...Grieve it later". MUCH later (years) it is either settled with a very small monetary compensation, or it is forgiven as part of the next contract negotiations.

 

[Cardinal]

There will always be friction regarding contract compliance. Yet generally it is at the fringes of interpretation that the controversies happen, and one is forced to "fly it now, grieve it later." (Which is less ALPA's stand, more the NMBs.)

5 years of unionzed airlines and I've never been pushed to where I felt I needed to file a grievance. Most middle managers just don't care enough, it's easier for all involved to just follow the rules. Benevolent management combined with a union contract is a really sweet deal (see the Southwest example.)

 

[Singlecoil]

Most middle managers just don't care enough, it's easier for all involved to just follow the rules.

You obviously don't work for Alaska.
Our contract says deadhead segments over 5 hours of block time will require a seat in first class. Since we have started flying to Hawaii, some crews have had to deadhead on Hawaiian. The company's positition is that deadheading refers to online travel. You get a seat in coach. Go ahead and grieve it. I can't imagine any line pilot putting up with crap like that, but thanks to the ranks of yes-men check airmen that did put up with that a precedent has been set. We also don't qualify for Family Medical Leave Act because we are part-time employees. FMLA states that you need to work 1200 hours a year to be considered part time. FAA limits us to 1000 hours a year. I know, total BS, but that is Alaska Airlines.

 

[climbhappy]

why couldn't olympus593 have sponsored the thread title?

she's a better sponsor

 

[GSXR600]

J.O. had been using this as a selling point to recruit new hires so I just thought I would let the entire world know the truth. I am a CRJ F.O. and I have everything that I am eligible to bid on my standing bid. I just found out that my upgrade class will be next year at the earliest. This indicates that my upgrade time at Mesa will occur after the 3.5 year mark.

Non compliance with our contract.
Management refuses to meet with our negotiating committee at all or even release them to take care of union business.
Hawaiian Airlines is suing us.
The Delta “Expansion” will result in a net loss of planes which will reduce the companies need for pilots.

This is a recipe for a long upgrade and a very miserable work experience for you.

Only you can decide what is right for you. With virtually every airline hiring the most professional advise that I can give you is to steer well clear of Mesa in your job search.

If you are a newbie at Mesa and you happen to be on the CRJ your equipment lock is now permanent. You can only upgrade to CRJ captain. You can not upgrade to ERJ captain unless you are an ERJ F.O. If there is any doubt look at standing bid 07-19 dated 4/2/07 before you accuse me of not knowing what I am talking about. I am still stunned at the looks and comments that guys fresh off of IOE give me. Most argue with me. Just look at the bid and you will see. O yea call the union to. They will explain it just like I did.

Man that's bull&*&(SHTTTT!!!!!
Sorry to hear that! u should get out if u can of course.

 

[Inconceivable]

"Fly it now, Grieve it later" is only recommended by ALPA Legal if you want to keep your job.

Pesky thing, that RLA.

 

[WAZUP]

I hope all the SkyWest pilots read this thread...a lot of them seem to feel that once you have a "contract" management can't violate it.
HA

a lot of Skywest Pilots are ex- Mesa pilots myself included. Mesa= Skywest Pilot development program

 

[yellowfever]

a lot of Skywest Pilots are ex- Mesa pilots myself included. Mesa= Skywest Pilot development program

If you guys let the current trend continue, you won't be able to tell the difference between MESA and Skywest.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

If you guys let the current trend continue, you won't be able to tell the difference between MESA and Skywest.

...and people wonder what is wrong with the newhires at SKW. Well, mainly the fact that many were once Mesa has alot to say about it.

 

[Soverytired]

If you guys let the current trend continue, you won't be able to tell the difference between MESA and Skywest.

That is quite possibly the most ignorant thing I've read on flightinfo in the past year.


(including some of the BS I post on a regular basis)