Update on SWA f/o arrested for intoxication.

[AA717driver]

Wine? Screw your BAC, what's your estrogen level? It sounds dangerously high.

LMAO! ZINGGGGGG!

Seriously, I'm not in favor of pilots being impaired on duty. We all have to know our limits (mine are expanding at a shocking rate as I age... ). I object to the immediate labeling of someone as guilty before ALL the evidence has been collected.

I'm not against law enforcement. I'm against the kind of chicken$h!t small-town cop BS that I witness in my local town and across the nation (cops riding MY bumper because I drive a car commonly driven by teens), harassing my daughter's classmates because they were driving their mom's Mercedes, cops getting convictions/charges/confessions thrown out because they wouldn't provide lawyers after the suspect requested one, cops withholding food and water for hours during questioning, cops threatening to hold people after their bail has been made, 4 cars show up to intimidate a State Policeman who pulled over a local cop for doing 110 with no lights or siren or being on duty... crap that isn't necessary to protect the safety of the community.

I was in a bar in Chicago years ago (on a layover :blush: ) and talked to a Transit Authority Police officer. She said that "cops have to stick together because everyone is against them". I told her that wasn't true and the general public supported them. But I related the above incident about the State cop being accosted by the locals and she said he shouldn't have been pulled over in the first place. The discussion headed downhill at that point with the result being that she (I assume representing the general attitude of her co-workers) felt police officers should not be held to the same standards (read laws) as the public because they have a difficult job and no one supports them. Boo-F'in-hoo.

Like so many other "public servants" many have forgotten that they are there to protect US. We aren't there for THEIR entertainment. And, unfortunately, the above happens so frequently that it makes me question the "few bad apples" defense.

Carry on.TC

 

[Guitar rocker]

Brother, we think alike on this. I started out thinking that we should all just dip our ties in cheap rye whiskey, but that isn't real professional and I don't want to scare the pax. I've recently thought about wadding up a kleenex and dipping it in Jack, wearing it through security, and then tossing it into the trash after clearing security. Both of those plans actually require that we have some Jack somewhere in our possession, which could be trouble, so they're out of consideration. '

Lately, I've been wondering if the security screeners might also be on the lookout for bad breath and strong mouthwash. My latest idea is to eat Italian, heavy on the garlic, and gargle with cheap-no-alcohol mouthwash just before entering security. The only drawback is that the FO better follow the same plan or my breath might run him/her out of the cockpit.

Or maybe, I could just do the cheap mouthwash thing. Once the mouthwash wears off, I'm back to normal. It could work, maybe we should start a movement.

Another idea just popped up, Does anyone know if the listerine pocket pacs contain any amount of alcohol? They are certainly strong in the smell department. Maybe we should all start popping a double dose of listerine pocket strips before every time we enter security.

I'm doing it. Who's with me?



BTW, why is it that the TSA smelled booze, but the other crew members did not? We all should really start doing the self police deal. If I ever manage to run out of brains and tie one on, I'd certainly appreciate it if my co-worker started the day off with, "dude, you smell like a bloody brewery. CALL IN SICK"

I agree with you on this. I thought that the TSA ratted another pilot out for smelling of alcohol but he infact had nothing to drink at all the night before. Might have been mouthwash. Not knowing for sure what the TSA folks go through for training but they had better be sure when they cry wolf.

 

[:-)]

I bought me a monster pack of those Listerine strips at the Sams. From now on, they'll be in my pocket awaiting the next strip search.

 

[akairman702]

Hey "DumAngelo"

There is an old saying, but you are probably tooooo young to know it, and probably tooooo "stupid" to even understand it, but here goes;

"It is often wise to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."

Sorry, I guess judging from most (well, "all") of your posts, I guess I am a little too late in giving you that advice/quote.

Ouch... maybe there's some background I'm missing here but your reply seems a bit harsh for pointing out the obvious ~ that coming out to the airport a gnats ass away from being legally drunk is a bad idea. Good TSA, Bad TSA... whatever your opinion of them, DeAngelo is right on in saying that if you keep your sh*t together on layovers and are thinking about what's best for your career and your passengers you won't end up taking a sobriety test for anyone. Call me dense, but I just don't see how that is "Stupid".

 

[Secret Squirrel]

LMAO! ZINGGGGGG!

Seriously, I'm not in favor of pilots being impaired on duty. We all have to know our limits (mine are expanding at a shocking rate as I age... ). I object to the immediate labeling of someone as guilty before ALL the evidence has been collected.

I'm not against law enforcement. I'm against the kind of chicken$h!t small-town cop BS that I witness in my local town and across the nation (cops riding MY bumper because I drive a car commonly driven by teens), harassing my daughter's classmates because they were driving their mom's Mercedes, cops getting convictions/charges/confessions thrown out because they wouldn't provide lawyers after the suspect requested one, cops withholding food and water for hours during questioning, cops threatening to hold people after their bail has been made, 4 cars show up to intimidate a State Policeman who pulled over a local cop for doing 110 with no lights or siren or being on duty... crap that isn't necessary to protect the safety of the community.

I was in a bar in Chicago years ago (on a layover :blush: ) and talked to a Transit Authority Police officer. She said that "cops have to stick together because everyone is against them". I told her that wasn't true and the general public supported them. But I related the above incident about the State cop being accosted by the locals and she said he shouldn't have been pulled over in the first place. The discussion headed downhill at that point with the result being that she (I assume representing the general attitude of her co-workers) felt police officers should not be held to the same standards (read laws) as the public because they have a difficult job and no one supports them. Boo-F'in-hoo.

Like so many other "public servants" many have forgotten that they are there to protect US. We aren't there for THEIR entertainment. And, unfortunately, the above happens so frequently that it makes me question the "few bad apples" defense.

Carry on.TC

I know of this pilot who spouts like a know it all arrogant prick on a certain web board. Because of this I now think of all pilots who fly 717's and GV as being similar to this pilot (the arrogant prick) because I am so narrow minded. Oh yea, all asians drive bad, all blacks steal, all mexicans steal my jobs and all Irish drink.

SS

 

[Megalops]

AA717 - I'm sure you do have a clean record - as do most of us here. We all suffer from the negative press of a few bad apples. (Northwest, Frontier, etc, etc.) Then lots of the public looks at all of us like we're drunks. I continue to maintain that the type of guys that drinks until 3-4 hours before his report time, and shows up at TSA smelling like a still, and endangers his livelihood that he spent years accomnplishing, and the main means of support for his family, has a bigger problem than just having a few on an overnight. Those types are real, full-time professional drunks. The just happen to work amongs us. And in that regard, I feel sorry for them. That their addiction is so out of control, and their lives are such a shambles that they seek solace in a glass is, when you get right down to it, really, really sad.

I am unaware of any incident that made any news that concerns any pilot at frontier, care to elaborate.

 

[FN FAL]

You will find state law, US Code, and the US Supreme Court all use the term "police jurisdiction" to describe the physical boundries in which law enforcement have "arrect powers."

School's out. Go play kickball.

Your "arrection" is not recognized. Police have arrest authority granted by the either federal or state legislation. A judge had jurisdiction to hear cases. Thank you for playing. By the way, why don't you utilize your jurisdiction and authority to utilize the spell check and then go change your own diaper or borrow ten bucks for twenty from me and pay someone to change it.

 

[SWA/FO]

I am unaware of any incident that made any news that concerns any pilot at frontier, care to elaborate.

Yeah, you're right, you guys at F9 pretty much lay low. Excpet for the one fella that killed someone (15 years ago...and recently got caugh)! Maybe thats what he was talking about? ".039 and Murder".... sounds like a new movie on Lifetime. I'm sure my Wife will have it on the tivo when I come back from my next trip.

the SWA/FO.............imp:

 

[Dangerkitty]

Yeah, you're right, you guys at F9 pretty much lay low. Excpet for the one fella that killed someone 15 years ago. Maybe thats what he was talking about? ".039 and Murder".... sounds like a new movie on Lifetime. I'm sure my Wife will have it on the tivo when I come back from my next trip.

the SWA/FO.............

That is the funniest thing that I have ever read here.

 

[canyonblue]

.........and all Irish drink.

SS

I wondered how my Uncle got his name, Patty O' Furniture.

 

[Megalops]

Yeah, you're right, you guys at F9 pretty much lay low. Excpet for the one fella that killed someone (15 years ago...and recently got caugh)! Maybe thats what he was talking about? ".039 and Murder".... sounds like a new movie on Lifetime. I'm sure my Wife will have it on the tivo when I come back from my next trip.

the SWA/FO.............imp:

That is pretty funny...well not for that guy but stll pretty funny.

 

[GuppyWN]

F9 had a couple cappies throw down on the ramp in front of the terminal several years ago. Now THAT was good entertainment.

Gup

 

[nightfr8er]

Anybody with jurisdiction? Only judges have jurisdiction, cops have authorization of arrest powers. Better go back to school god boy.

Actually, courts have jurisdiction over an area or region. Police officers, as well as prosecutors and other lawyers, are officers of the court. Thereby, they have/are extensions of the courts' jurisdiction. I went to school, just so you know.

 

[nightfr8er]

I am unaware of any incident that made any news that concerns any pilot at frontier, care to elaborate.

Actually, I was mistaken. I was thinking of the America West guys that got arrested in Miami about a year or so ago. My bad.

 

[Guitar rocker]

Yeah, you're right, you guys at F9 pretty much lay low. Excpet for the one fella that killed someone (15 years ago...and recently got caugh)! Maybe thats what he was talking about? ".039 and Murder".... sounds like a new movie on Lifetime. I'm sure my Wife will have it on the tivo when I come back from my next trip.

the SWA/FO.............imp:

The Frontier one might actually make it on "New Detectives" or some other show on court TV.

 

[Fins Up]

I know of this pilot who spouts like a know it all arrogant prick on a certain web board. Because of this I now think of all pilots who fly 717's and GV as being similar to this pilot (the arrogant prick) because I am so narrow minded. Oh yea, all asians drive bad, all blacks steal, all mexicans steal my jobs and all Irish drink.

SS

Hey that's not fair. I'm not Irish and I love to drink.

 

[AA717driver]

I know of this pilot who spouts like a know it all arrogant prick on a certain web board. Because of this I now think of all pilots who fly 717's and GV as being similar to this pilot (the arrogant prick) because I am so narrow minded. Oh yea, all asians drive bad, all blacks steal, all mexicans steal my jobs and all Irish drink.

SS

SS--It's ok to generalize and think I'm an arrogant prick before you meet me and get to know me. I'm willing to give anyone the benefit of the doubt. I was just relating my experience with law enforcement officers. (Don't get me started on County Prosecutors...)

As I said, I've got no problem with the State Police officers I've met. Different breed entirely. TC

 

[satpak77]

uh...not exactly

Actually, courts have jurisdiction over an area or region. Police officers, as well as prosecutors and other lawyers, are officers of the court. Thereby, they have/are extensions of the courts' jurisdiction. I went to school, just so you know.

RE (US courts as example)

http://www.uscourts.gov/about.html

Article III of the United States Constitution establishes the judicial branch as one of the three separate and distinct branches of the federal government. The other two are the legislative and executive branches.

Through fair and impartial judgments, the federal courts interpret and apply the law to resolve disputes. The courts do not make the laws. That is the responsibility of Congress. Nor do the courts have the power to enforce the laws. That is the role of the President and the many executive branch departments and agencies.

So, we now know that

1) Courts do not MAKE laws

2) Courts do not ENFORCE laws. That is surprise surprise, law enforcements job (police)

3) Courts APPLY the law and make JUDGEMENTS (guilty, innocent, damages awarded, case dismissed, etc etc)

trust me, police officers are NOT "officers of the court". The courts are part of the JUDICIARY, the FBI (DOJ), FAA (DOT), etc is part of the EXECUTIVE branch. "Department OF _________" is usually an EXECUTIVE branch agency.

RE:

http://www.msha.gov/SOLICITOR/kids/executiv.htm

oh yeah, I went to a bigger school for this than you did....trust me

 

[SWA/FO]

What about the F9 mechanic that threw a pair of chocks into a running engine during pushback, cus he felt the aircraft was unsafe. So I guess, he made sure it was unsafe. I think he got some prison time.

imp: the SWA/FO

 

[320AV8R]

AA717 - I'm sure you do have a clean record - as do most of us here. We all suffer from the negative press of a few bad apples. (Northwest, Frontier, etc, etc.)

Yea, it's ALL NORTHWEST'S fault.

I seem to recall numerous "offenders" from other airlines such as:

--America West

--American

--British Airways

--Southwest

-- Delta

There are many more. But it's all NW's fault.