Update on SWA f/o arrested for intoxication.

[Reebo]

sqwkvfr

you ready? we got four against your boys this week at chase.

 

[pipejockey]

As any of you who have read any of my posts realize, I find LCC's loathsome!! But Mr. Fulton...fight the good fight. It is ashame that you have been put in this position by a bunch of glory seeking tsa ass clowns who should do what they do best, that is harassing the people going through their little "security" line who are clearly not terrorists. Ones life and career based on a number measured in the thousandths. These losers need to get a life!

 

[Secret Squirrel]

SS--It's ok to generalize and think I'm an arrogant prick before you meet me and get to know me. I'm willing to give anyone the benefit of the doubt. I was just relating my experience with law enforcement officers. (Don't get me started on County Prosecutors...)

As I said, I've got no problem with the State Police officers I've met. Different breed entirely. TC

Oh, I was not talking about you, just some other guy I know of. But using my generalizations of him on you.

I was a city cop. Greatest department in the US. And I agree there are some $hitbag operations out there. But what you are saying is one of the things that tired me of being a cop. It kind of relates to this thread. Everytime I pulled someone over for speeding or DUI or brought some kid home for being a dirtbag, many people would make the comment that I should be going after real criminals. Well, many times I was on details directed by the community in areas which they wanted action. Speed enforcement, red light details, dui details, and problems with teens are areas where you contact citizens who have never had contact with the law. It is their first contact and it is negative because they get a ticket. So all of a sudden the police department is harassing our citizens. You want the enforcement, just not against you.

And I think the TSA did a good job (And I am not a huge fan). They detected a pilot who had been drinking and contacted the authorities. And ya know what? He had been drinking. Now is it criminal or not, that is the question for the courts.

 

[nightfr8er]

Oh, I was not talking about you, just some other guy I know of. But using my generalizations of him on you.

I was a city cop. Greatest department in the US. And I agree there are some $hitbag operations out there. But what you are saying is one of the things that tired me of being a cop. It kind of relates to this thread. Everytime I pulled someone over for speeding or DUI or brought some kid home for being a dirtbag, many people would make the comment that I should be going after real criminals. Well, many times I was on details directed by the community in areas which they wanted action. Speed enforcement, red light details, dui details, and problems with teens are areas where you contact citizens who have never had contact with the law. It is their first contact and it is negative because they get a ticket. So all of a sudden the police department is harassing our citizens. You want the enforcement, just not against you.

And I think the TSA did a good job (And I am not a huge fan). They detected a pilot who had been drinking and contacted the authorities. And ya know what? He had been drinking. Now is it criminal or not, that is the question for the courts.

You hit the nail right on the head. Everrybody wants the action, just not against them. And, it's never their kid that could be involved, because their kid is always an angel. It makes you sick, and you can see where the whole loss of reponsibility for ones own actions has come from.

 

[Wingsweep]

Stupid logic

As any of you who have read any of my posts realize, I find LCC's loathsome!! But Mr. Fulton...fight the good fight. It is ashame that you have been put in this position by a bunch of glory seeking tsa ass clowns who should do what they do best, that is harassing the people going through their little "security" line who are clearly not terrorists. Ones life and career based on a number measured in the thousandths. These losers need to get a life!

Pipe,
For you and all the others who think TSA is the culprit; do you propose TSA simply ignore any crewmember they suspect is drunk? Is that your final, considered opinion?

P.S. No, I don't recall reading your previous posts. If not too much trouble, would you elaborate on why you find LCC's loathsome? WS

 

[canyonblue]

.......... do you propose TSA simply ignore any crewmember they suspect is drunk? Is that your final, considered opinion?

Are they QUALIFIED to identify a crewmember that is intoxicated? What training do they go through to identify a person who is over the limit? Is it enough for them to just pull someone aside and if they are innocent, and just respond "my bad"? Bottom line is they are barely qualified to screen bags, and now they feel compelled to start finding intoxicated crewmembers. Fellow crewmembers usually do a fairly good job of identifying an intoxicated crewmember, and I would never fly with anyone who was, for my sake as well as theirs, intoxicated. My guess is his fellow crewmembers never said a thing because he never seemed, or smelled intoxicated. And guess what, they were right.

 

[vetteracer]

LMAO! ZINGGGGGG!

Seriously, I'm not in favor of pilots being impaired on duty. We all have to know our limits (mine are expanding at a shocking rate as I age... ). I object to the immediate labeling of someone as guilty before ALL the evidence has been collected.

I'm not against law enforcement. I'm against the kind of chicken$h!t small-town cop BS that I witness in my local town and across the nation (cops riding MY bumper because I drive a car commonly driven by teens), harassing my daughter's classmates because they were driving their mom's Mercedes, cops getting convictions/charges/confessions thrown out because they wouldn't provide lawyers after the suspect requested one, cops withholding food and water for hours during questioning, cops threatening to hold people after their bail has been made, 4 cars show up to intimidate a State Policeman who pulled over a local cop for doing 110 with no lights or siren or being on duty... crap that isn't necessary to protect the safety of the community.

I was in a bar in Chicago years ago (on a layover :blush: ) and talked to a Transit Authority Police officer. She said that "cops have to stick together because everyone is against them". I told her that wasn't true and the general public supported them. But I related the above incident about the State cop being accosted by the locals and she said he shouldn't have been pulled over in the first place. The discussion headed downhill at that point with the result being that she (I assume representing the general attitude of her co-workers) felt police officers should not be held to the same standards (read laws) as the public because they have a difficult job and no one supports them. Boo-F'in-hoo.

Like so many other "public servants" many have forgotten that they are there to protect US. We aren't there for THEIR entertainment. And, unfortunately, the above happens so frequently that it makes me question the "few bad apples" defense.

Carry on.TC

AMEN Brother -

Growing up in a state with NO income tax, and in a small town, where the cops job and pay checks come from writing BS tickets. Most people can't fathom this, becuase they grew up in a city with 10 million people, and the cops have something to do other then write tickets for inop license plate lights.

I have been driving since I was 12 (legal in this state w/ farm permit). And got BS tickets for years.

40 million kids ride a bus twice a day without seatbelts. That law is nothing more the a way to generate revenue for the city and PD.

Mark

 

[Wingsweep]

Again, flawed logic

Are they QUALIFIED to identify a crewmember that is intoxicated? What training do they go through to identify a person who is over the limit? Is it enough for them to just pull someone aside and if they are innocent, and just respond "my bad"? Bottom line is they are barely qualified to screen bags, and now they feel compelled to start finding intoxicated crewmembers. Fellow crewmembers usually do a fairly good job of identifying an intoxicated crewmember, and I would never fly with anyone who was, for my sake as well as theirs, intoxicated. My guess is his fellow crewmembers never said a thing because he never seemed, or smelled intoxicated. And guess what, they were right.

CB,
First, tell me what "QUALIFIES" anyone to identify a someone who's been drinking? Your post implies only other crewmembers are qualified (and justified) to make the determination. I ask again, do you really think TSA should ignore it? For the record, TSA was spot on--the guy had been drinking, as the tests proved. WS

 

[Publishers]

There is a duty and responsibility we all have to say something when we suspect someone or something is amiss.
About a year ago or so, I appeared on CNN regarding the American West pilots and an audience member asked if crew members would deliberately not report a fellow crewmember for being drunk. I said no that would not happen because we all have this responsibility of working in the industry to protect it and see that operations are safe.
While I said that I questioned myself as to whether this was true. We all know many stories of badly hung over people who partied on layovers flying the next day.
BTW it was my bad typing .39 instead of .039. One should not fly or type after Jack Daniels.
In the end, you have worked so hard to get an airline job regardless that it might not be the job it once was. That said, it is much easier to lose the job over what, a few beers. It is ones personal choice.

 

[sqwkvfr]

sqwkvfr

you ready? we got four against your boys this week at chase.

I'm watching right now.

I didn't know that you guys picked up Aaron Sele. I actually met him about three years ago when he was in town for spring training....he is one hell of a nice, down-to-earth guy.

As I write this, it's 8-3 Dbacks top of the ninth...and I'm happy!

 

[sqwkvfr]

And got BS tickets for years.

Im just curious....with a username like "vetteracer" were you able to type the above comment with a straight face?

 

[sqwkvfr]

sqwkvfr

you ready? we got four against your boys this week at chase.

This:

Dodgers first base coach Mariano Duncan was ejected by third base umpire Angel Hernandez in the first inning. Duncan was tossed when the Dodgers were complaining from the dugout after Hernandez ruled that Diamondbacks Luis Gonzalez and Chad Tracy had checked their swings.

Manager Grady Little came out to vehemently argue the ejection, then went to the dugout and Duncan came charging across the infield. Second base umpire Randy Marsh kept Duncan away from Hernandez. As he finally left, Duncan threw his hat at the umpire. Hernandez caught it, then walked to the fence and tossed it to a young fan.

....was the best part of the game.