United Transmissions

[DCAA320]

Dude, is it that time of the month?

 

[Dan Roman]

"United" is two different airlines that have been using the same radios for over 25 years. I don't believe we're the problem at all. What's going on is too many pilots have forgotten how to communicate. Pilots need to think about what they're going to say, put the mic to their mouth and speak normally. Then stop talking. Way too many pilots yammer, jabber, giggle, and elaborate with ATC in the US. Check in, then shut up!! F-ing SWA can NOT make one transmission without trying to obtain something from ATC. Every keyed mic has to get them something. A direct an altitude or a "good day" or a joke or a "how ya doing". They love to hear themselves talk (literally! They love their own voices' sound in these acoustically perfect headsets) and their mgt wants them to talk. It's like the bum who walks up to you and wants a quarter. He asks a thousand people a thousand times and it's the easiest quarter he ever makes even it's gets just 1 in 10. This is a RADIO. It's for ATC. This is suppose to be different than visiting with your wife, or broker, or whoever on a telephone or online. This problem would go away if everyone used the exact same headset. AND treated the radio like it's for communication and not used for building up your paycheck or company's bottom line. That's one problem that United does NOT have (might be the only one) so we should not be the ones changing. Ours is the example that should be followed.

Flop dude...really? United is better than anyone else at talking on the radio? Are you aware of the term delusional? I guess you have never flown the Pacific and listened to 123.45 between the west coast and Hawaii.
Reality check dude, most pilots are fine but there are a few who do sound pretty stupid. It's not airline specific. You would have died if you heard me the other day.....early morning JFK arrival and they asked me if I could make a certain intersection at a much lower altitude. I said I could but I couldn't bring the airplane with me. The controller seemed to appreciate it and if it gets under the skin of the anal guys so much the better!

 

[Dan Roman]

I was a ear spike guy with foam plug in the other for years. Did the QC2 until the kernals f$cked up that deal. I now use DC X over the ears. Works pretty good and its not a thousand bucks. Hearing gets to be a concern after a lifetime of exposure to loud noises.

Do yourself a favor and take care of your ears. Not wearing hearing protection when you fly is like welding without a hood.

See Room, you can say something constructive, it's not that hard!
Good point

 

[Dornier 335]

CPDLC transmissions are in ALL CAPS, there's nothing i can do... Sorry!

Not in UK airspace! Sorry mate, now keep reading back your ONHs and OFEs!!

 

[Dornier 335]

Most controllers would rather not have the "How ya doin?" and also the "Have a good day" or "Have a good weekend" or the pathetic "Have a good one!". They just want the necessary information without the nonsense. When they give you a frequency change, just read it back and drop the useless pleasantries. They hear that useless, meaningless, insincere crap over and over and over again. Some years ago when controllers could ride jumpseat, one asked me why on Earth pilots feel the need to tell the controller they are talking to "....is with you". As this controller said. ------ what a useless, redundant, time wasting phrase, only topped in stupid uselessness with ".....checking in with you".

M80, it's simple. It's called the human element.

Years ago, when I was in the process to get my now EASA ATP I had to take two exams for the Radio Telephony Licence (even spelled with c) with the UK CAA. I passed the tests flawlessly, but the examiner inquired why I didn't use the occasional salutation. "At the end of the day a little politeness does not hurt". So if a CAA examiner/ a Brit is ok with it, it's good enough for me.

Listening to ATC in non-English airspace it seems to be the courtesy to greet and bid farewell in the local language when the transmission are in English.

Bottom line: Use proper phraseology with a little politeness!

Adieu!

 

[Flopgut]

Flop dude...really? United is better than anyone else at talking on the radio? Are you aware of the term delusional? I guess you have never flown the Pacific and listened to 123.45 between the west coast and Hawaii.
Reality check dude, most pilots are fine but there are a few who do sound pretty stupid. It's not airline specific. You would have died if you heard me the other day.....early morning JFK arrival and they asked me if I could make a certain intersection at a much lower altitude. I said I could but I couldn't bring the airplane with me. The controller seemed to appreciate it and if it gets under the skin of the anal guys so much the better!

Flown the Pacific quite a bit lately Dan. And the Atlantic and way down South America. You done those recently? Ever been to Brazil? A little (very little) humor and levity is ok every once in a while (that's a good one btw, so you made it count) in the US. But it doesn't work in areas where youre struggling for basic understanding. It's unfortunate, but chippy and stupid SWA-speak has become the norm in the US. We're to the point the required stuff is ignored. Shoot we're halfway to being the non standard third world country everybody hates to operate in! No one at United needs to buy a headset. ATC com needs to be simple ATC com It should not have to emulate silly conversation acoustics like these goofballs use on their xbox playing world of Warcraft

 

[waveflyer]

Nice flop.
What does any of that have to do with united sounding like crap over the air?

 

[Flopgut]

Nice flop.
What does any of that have to do with united sounding like crap over the air?

Easy: You're listening incorrectly. Park your Bose and use the equipment the airplane was designed for. And then quit talking so much.

 

[waveflyer]

So we can ALL sound like sh/t??

Now why would I not wear the Bose I own? Bc you don't like them?
Why would I care what you like?

I like my ears thank you, no matter your moral imperative

 

[Flopgut]

So we can ALL sound like sh/t??

Now why would I not wear the Bose I own? Bc you don't like them?
Why would I care what you like?

I like my ears thank you, no matter your moral imperative

United isn't just United at this point. It's also Continental. You also said Allegiant was loud and uncomfortable in your ears. I think you're the problem Wave. You're not listening correctly.

I've only spent about 1/3 of my career in the 737. The MD80 was quiet and 756 isn't too bad either. You're the one stuck in the 737, deal with it and stop complaining.