United Minimums

[BigMotorToter]

What pisses me off is the misconception that only minorities are and were hired with low time. That isn't the case. And I'm not talking about 10 or 15 years ago. I'm talking about now. For those of you out there that think that white guys got hired at United with less than 1000 hours in the 90s, you're wrong. And I'm not just talking about a handful of guys. Somehow they deserved it and somehow some of us only got hired because of our group. In case some out there don't know, black pilots at UAL only represent LESS than 1% of the entire group. 0.5% to be exact.

That's true too D-Bo. I knew a couple of white male UAL interns in the 90's who got hired with about 500 hours. That pisses me off just as much.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

That's true too D-Bo. I knew a couple of white male UAL interns in the 90's who got hired with about 500 hours. That pisses me off just as much.

ditto!!!!!

 

[RP170]

That's true too D-Bo. I knew a couple of white male UAL interns in the 90's who got hired with about 500 hours. That pisses me off just as much.

I know most of the United interns worked their a$$es off in college to be selected for the position, including myself. I chose to attend an educational institution where I knew these opportunities would be available.

It was the top intern program back then. Getting hired with low time was one of the perks of being selected for the program. It's part of the deal, whether you approve or disapprove. That being said, no, I am not applying at United anytime in the near future.

 

[capt. megadeth]

If you are a minority or chick, then these mins don't apply! This is for white males only, good luck.

Wow! I'm impressed! First page but at the bottom. That must be a record.

 

[capt. megadeth]

D-Bo....don't even bother. I've been fighting this fight for a while and no matter what you say, tools like this won't accept it. They will insist that minorities and females don't have to have any qualifications to get good jobs and poor wittle whitey man never gets any good aviation job. In the meantime, his wittle whitey man a$$ is sitting on it, not networking, not going to job fairs....sometimes not even applying. But poor wittle victim whitey man has his convenient excuse....all the females and minorities are taking his job dammit! Awwww, poor wittle baby! We all feel sorry for you. Like I said, don't waste your time. No matter what you say, poor wittle baby won't ever admit you have a point....poor wittle baby will whine and cry.

Really? That's funny. Been an OBAP member since I was in High School, worked on the ramp for UAL during the one summer I took off during college, damn near graduated with a degree in Aeronautical Science with a 4.0 (finished with a 3.8), flew for the commuter airlines for over 5 years, upgraded to Capt not long after my 23rd B-day, and had a clean record and got the interview when I had about 5000 hours. Other friends I have from OBAP had more than that or spent many years in the military. As a matter of fact the 5 guys with the lowest time in my class were all white males, the lowest one having 1900 hours at the time....not that it matters to me but it obviously matters to your dumb a**. The BS is that a DA like yourself would never know what it actually took to get there cause you already got a BS misconception in your head.

If you have to blame OBAP for your inability to get a job I feel sorry for you. Look at your own merits or lack thereof....you'll find what's holding you back.

 

[capt. megadeth]

It's also a fact that once upon a time UAL not only hired folks with 0 hours but also paid for commercial tickets and other ratings. One fact, yes fact, was that you couldn't be anything other than white and a male. I had mentors that were Tuskegee Airman that have flown in wars that wouldn't get the time of day by UAL at that point in time. So, everyone here wants to talk sh** about affirmative action at UAL while ignoring the reason it got to that point in the first place. Keep blaming, poking fun, or whatever you want to call it, about OBAP. Hopefully it'll make some of you feel better about yourselves.

Amen bro! Exactly!

Once again though, don't callous your fingertips trying to reason with some of these babies.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Agreed.

I think what we are seeing with D-Bo is an unfortunate by-product of affirmative action. Here is a totaly qualified black pilot who worked his way up and shouldn't have to answer to anyone, but the reality is is that because affirmative action has allowed some (not all) very low time, inexperienced pilots into the ranks of the majors, this "label" now sticks to all minorities, to which they spend a lifetime defending. That doesn't sound fun to me.

Yes there was a time and place for affirmative action. The cycle of excluding minorities had to be broken somehow, but I think now is the time it should be ended.

If I was a black or female pilot with the type of quals. as D-Bo, I would be pissed that others were getting hired because of their race or sex and not their experience. It tarnishes all the rest of the minorities reputations, and that shadow of doubt seems to never leave.

Get rid of affirmative action and no one can ever say you got hired for any other reason except that you were qualified for the job.

Race or sex shouldn't even be on the app.

 

[capt. megadeth]

nothing i wrote was racist either d-bo.

i was just sharing some facts i witnessed during my own experiences. minorities, woman and pilots who's daddies are senior captains are generally inexperienced, unqualified according to the mimimum standards outlined and do not meet the minimum qualifications everyone else is required to meet.

I'm sure you have come across plenty of white males that were not qualified either, you just chose not to pay attention because it's automatically assumed that they are competitive. I know TONS of guys that got jobs with less time than me because I pay attention. I don't really give a crap, I am actually happy for a lot of them, I pay attention so I have ammo against ignoramuses.

 

[Rook]

If you have to blame OBAP for your inability to get a job I feel sorry for you. Look at your own merits or lack thereof....you'll find what's holding you back.

I agree D-Bo. I hate when people use OBAP as an excuse. I got all the boxes filled and OBAP hasn't done a thing to help me get a job. In fact, (not that it matters one bit) but I was the highest time jet guy in my new-hire class at my current gig.

Back to Friday night fights.

Rook

 

[crazee8]

Bottom line folks is United will hire whoever they want to and they will not consult you nor do they give a $hit what your opinion is and what your logbook says. If you don't like their hiring practices, then don't work there. Otherwise, you're just jealous.

And just because you say over and over that the only low-time pilots that get hired are non-white males - DOESN'T MAKE IT A FACT.