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We can't jump in the way back machine and return to the days when passengers didn't care how expensive their tickets were, if their bags ever arrived and how late the plane was because they had so much $ and time they did not care. The kind of problem less overproducing economy it takes to support and make a UAL of old thrive is gone. People have to step up and make things work and be productive. I know the folksy old fashion cal way of doing things grates on everyone but it was working--even in this new economy/reality.
Ticket expense has nothing to do with us. Management is clueless and overpaid.

They're outsourcing everything which is why bags are getting lost and there's a lot of poor customer service.

No one could be more productive than LCAL pilots and look where that got us. Labor productivity has one purpose and one purpose only, to transfer $ from us to them. It will never lower a ticket price. Bethune got $50m when he left, and it wasn't from the customers.
 
Well your the first person I have heard use that... Kind of silly. What CAL pilots don't understand is at sUAL we have nicknamed every airplane we have had. Not an insult just culture thing.
That's a fair criticism.
 
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What I wonder is did mint ever work real well apart from the sUAL standard of being largely overstaffed?
Any system will be less stressed if not working at capacity but from what I saw MINT is a Cadillac system capable of handling what we're going through right now and I think there are many who regret the decision to not use it. There is no argument anywhere that TSW was "the best of both world's"--by a long shot. It was the cheapest. These kinds of short-term savings pump the stock price, achieve near-term management performance metrics thereby earning them incentives, but are not sustainable and either have to be fixed eventually with more expensive solutions or just fail after those decision makers are gone with our money.
 
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Well I think the general consensus is clear. Management has to be changed. An infrastructure has to be put in place that can handle an airline this size. The company will have to spend money to put a product in place that attracts and can recapture the high dollar pax we had. The new management will have to create a much less adversarial relationship for the work force.

We also need to get over ourselves. So this worked better at UAL and that worked better at CAL....who gives a crap. If the company doesn't get its financial performance under control we will have much bigger problems than scheduling issues.
 
That has not been proven yet. Trust me, wait for results before you assume competency in a CEO.

True. The ugly girl CEO has alot of work yet to do, and alot can happen. But, love him or hate him, but he has a knack for doing quiet well with alot less to work with than others. Given the same tools the others have, I'm not betting against him.

You're right though, it hasn't been proven, and that's just my good for nothing opinion.
 
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u know fish theme. i was gonna say retarded french bitch POS but u know, kinda not allowed on the air and retarded folks might get offended and all.


You really like that word don't ya? How old are you...10? As someone with a mentally handicapped family member I can truly say she and some of her friends have more common sense than some of you LCAL folks....
 
You really like that word don't ya? How old are you...10? As someone with a mentally handicapped family member I can truly say she and some of her friends have more common sense than some of you LCAL folks....

Here's the thing, you have no idea how ridiculous you all are. The arrogance of the sUAL guys who haven't been furloughed is off the chart. You're behavior has not evolved the last 14 years. It's bothersome to those of us who do this job under the burden of knowing what the hell we're doing.

The other day I was in the IAH WX room while 3 brain surgeons were planning to go to Europe. They were pouring over the maintenance history of the airplane and fussing over some status message. They came to figure out that the write up was inbound, after first being giddy over the prospect of declining the airplane over what they first thought was a deferral. They then decided the inbound crew should have diverted and they were going to find out who was flying and have them admonished. Bottom line: They had no idea what they were talking about and just wanted to find a reason to screw the operation. That's your average everyday brain surgeon. No connection whatsoever to the operation v your paycheck.

Unfortunately it's not getting easier to put up with your crap. Far from it. Eagles view is correctly pointing out we are all on the same team, and I'd really prefer to think that way as well. But the senior sUAL guys just find new ways to disgust me. Credit to Kellner, he saw this coming. The only thing more urgent than the need to improve our airline is the need sUAL pilots feel to screw it over.
 
Here's the thing, you have no idea how ridiculous you all are. The arrogance of the sUAL guys who haven't been furloughed is off the chart. You're behavior has not evolved the last 14 years. It's bothersome to those of us who do this job under the burden of knowing what the hell we're doing.

The other day I was in the IAH WX room while 3 brain surgeons were planning to go to Europe. They were pouring over the maintenance history of the airplane and fussing over some status message. They came to figure out that the write up was inbound, after first being giddy over the prospect of declining the airplane over what they first thought was a deferral. They then decided the inbound crew should have diverted and they were going to find out who was flying and have them admonished. Bottom line: They had no idea what they were talking about and just wanted to find a reason to screw the operation. That's your average everyday brain surgeon. No connection whatsoever to the operation v your paycheck.

Unfortunately it's not getting easier to put up with your crap. Far from it. Eagles view is correctly pointing out we are all on the same team, and I'd really prefer to think that way as well. But the senior sUAL guys just find new ways to disgust me. Credit to Kellner, he saw this coming. The only thing more urgent than the need to improve our airline is the need sUAL pilots feel to screw it over.
Don't worry we have Marvin Mainliners like yourself as well.........just not as many.

Safety over paycheck - EVERY time.
 

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