United Airlines

[waveflyer]

Yeah, we hear that runs in your family. Apparently your family member caught it from the sUAL pilot group (pronounced ess-soo-el as explained to me by a brain surgeon flight attendant).

Yeah, no dog in this fight and I got to say WTF is wrong with you?

 

[waveflyer]

And btw wave, wtf man?! On another thread you explain how you can't abide by "slam clickers", I'm simply suggesting sUAL guys stop checking brake accumulator 5+ times [or whatever it takes for them to eventually fail] so the airline can run.

Beers are important, I agree. But I also believe deliberately gaming airworthiness is at least as important. I'd love to read your posts if SWA was having to deal with this

I don't know much about that flop, I just know you're pretty spring loaded to some whacked out ideas on things-
First rule of unionism is "be productive" in your actions and words.

If you have volunteered for alpa you'd have heard this at some point.

We are dealing with this on some level- there's some moron out there whacking off the ends of our OPC switches in a multi gold medal performance for least effective and weird 'statement' ever

 

[Flopgut]

It has to do with individual's in charge at the time, we are ALPA. They may have misstep with Frontier but they stood up for the industry in '85, more than I can say for the other class of the mid eighties.

You need to learn not to stick your foot in your mouth. That's a really dumb statement. In view of what was done to FAL, UAL stood up for themselves. You were standing for yourselves and not the union or unity when you signaled to America West & USAir that you were going to do the same to them. Then Brucia exposed you all for what you really are by making you beg for merger policy.

 

[chppr5]

You need to learn not to stick your foot in your mouth. That's a really dumb statement. In view of what was done to FAL, UAL stood up for themselves. You were standing for yourselves and not the union or unity when you signaled to America West & USAir that you were going to do the same to them. Then Brucia exposed you all for what you really are by making you beg for merger policy.

Well since merger policy has been a work in progress and has changed numerous times over the last 6+ decades comparing what FAL went thru and what you perceive we were going to do to AWA/USAIR is comparing apples and oranges. ALPA National is a resource that MY representatives use to represent ME. I would hope UALPA would use/bend existing ALPA National policy to look out for UALPA interests, just as you justify CALPA's merger committees position during SLI arguments (even though they bent the policy till it snapped into little pieces). Make no mistake we are members of UALPA, not DALPA or any other carrier under the ALPA National umbrella. We abide by ALPA National policy and By-Laws but we are a separate entity and should expect our reps to protect us from any other union or pilot group within the laws and policy of our national union. As for the foot in my mouth, I wasn't around in the '80's, I wasn't privy to the goings on at UALPA at the time so I can't speak for them. I do look up to that group though because like it or not they went by policy at the time and in their eyes protected their members, just as I'm sure you thought CAL ALPA did. And most importantly that same group stood up for the ENTIRE piloting profession by walking the line.

 

[Shrek]

Been in 3 unions as a pilot. One closed shop. Always been wearing a pin and toeing the line. You, and 2/3rds of you brain surgeon cohorts, are a joke. Take that how you like.

Thanks for tripling the amount of SCABS overnight after we merged with your version of unionism. I call that a joke especially if you think IACP was actually a union.

 

[AirMike]

Yeah, we hear that runs in your family. Apparently your family member caught it from the sUAL pilot group (pronounced ess-soo-el as explained to me by a brain surgeon flight attendant).

I've always hated scabs but this is a new low. I wish we had f$cked you guys harder than Frontier and Air Wisconsin combined! Your welcome for youre super seniority! You better have your pin on when you are throwing gear for me. Otherwise I'll throw your a$$ out of my cockpit.

 

[Flopgut]

Thanks for tripling the amount of SCABS overnight after we merged with your version of unionism. I call that a joke especially if you think IACP was actually a union.

Uh, you brought as many as we did really, because there is no damn way your 570s aren't just as guilty as anyone hired here in 83! I flew with a voluntary furlough sUAL guy hired in the late 70s who could not have agreed more with that statement. His words to me: "don't trust anyone hired in the 80s, at either one of these airlines." You junior sUAL guys like to excuse your own. Talk about a "brand of unionism"?!

 

[chppr5]

Flop, you don't get to make up your own facts or redefine SCAB. These numbers are from the master scab list. The 570's may or may not be suspect but they are NOT SCABS, never turned a wheel. UAL- 837, CAL- 1996.........


1. Century Airlines 1932: 1 scab
2. TWA 1946: 2 scabs
3. National Airlines 1948: 101 scabs
4. Western Airlines 1958: 3 scabs
5. Southern Airways 1960: 205 scabs
6. Rio Airways 1976: 43 scabs
7. Wien Air Alaska 1977: 82 scabs
8. Northwest Summary 1978. 34 scabs
9. Continental Airlines 1983: 1,996 scabs
10. Pan American 1985: 139 scabs
11. United Airlines 1985: 837 scabs
12. Eastern Airlines 1989: 2,253 scabs
13. AFAP 1989: 85 scabs
14. Comair 2001: 3 scabs
15. Prinair (year?): 2 scabs
16. Air North (year?): 2 scabs

 

[Flopgut]

Well since merger policy has been a work in progress and has changed numerous times over the last 6+ decades comparing what FAL went thru and what you perceive we were going to do to AWA/USAIR is comparing apples and oranges. ALPA National is a resource that MY representatives use to represent ME. I would hope UALPA would use/bend existing ALPA National policy to look out for UALPA interests, just as you justify CALPA's merger committees position during SLI arguments (even though they bent the policy till it snapped into little pieces). Make no mistake we are members of UALPA, not DALPA or any other carrier under the ALPA National umbrella. We abide by ALPA National policy and By-Laws but we are a separate entity and should expect our reps to protect us from any other union or pilot group within the laws and policy of our national union. As for the foot in my mouth, I wasn't around in the '80's, I wasn't privy to the goings on at UALPA at the time so I can't speak for them. I do look up to that group though because like it or not they went by policy at the time and in their eyes protected their members, just as I'm sure you thought CAL ALPA did. And most importantly that same group stood up for the ENTIRE piloting profession by walking the line.

Credit to you for trying to understand it, but you're not there yet. Remember when Rick D. characterized both USAir and Am West as "purchases, not mergers?" That's important because it's how UALALPA went around ALPA merger policy (both merger and fragmentation) and made sure the FAL guys did not have positions at UAL. Senior UAL would have gone along with it, but 570s and 539s couldn't find any version of merger policy that wouldn't have put a lot of FAL ahead of them. They wanted something done and Rick D did it, and forced National to go along with it. He was ready again to do it two more times. He and UAL ALPA broke merger policy, Jim B and CAL ALPA fixed it. Jim used the process in a way that caused the UAL merger committee to be the champion for the policy. It was a good move really. You could have out voted us, you had a history of abandoning merger policy. Instead you were made to embrace it.

 

[Flopgut]

Flop, you don't get to make up your own facts or redefine SCAB. These numbers are from the master scab list. The 570's may or may not be suspect but they are NOT SCABS, never turned a wheel. UAL- 837, CAL- 1996.........


1. Century Airlines 1932: 1 scab
2. TWA 1946: 2 scabs
3. National Airlines 1948: 101 scabs
4. Western Airlines 1958: 3 scabs
5. Southern Airways 1960: 205 scabs
6. Rio Airways 1976: 43 scabs
7. Wien Air Alaska 1977: 82 scabs
8. Northwest Summary 1978. 34 scabs
9. Continental Airlines 1983: 1,996 scabs
10. Pan American 1985: 139 scabs
11. United Airlines 1985: 837 scabs
12. Eastern Airlines 1989: 2,253 scabs
13. AFAP 1989: 85 scabs
14. Comair 2001: 3 scabs
15. Prinair (year?): 2 scabs
16. Air North (year?): 2 scabs

Merger policy was the first correction you guys got, and this list will be the next. Because it's a F-ing joke!! "Never turned a revenue wheel?!" What a stupid backward ass caveat. That's a sUAL only thing and it needs to end. Every other list has pilots on it who did less wrong and contributed less to the cause if a strike than 570s.

Why don't you listen to your own pilots hired in the 1970s? Why are you making these 80s guys your heros?

 

[chppr5]

Now you're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say these '80's guys were my hero, but your MO is to make s*#t up to make a point. The guys that actually walked we're the ones I was referring to. So go ahead, take some and twist my words then respond.

 

[Flopgut]

570s didn't "walk". They crossed, but according sUAL lore, "they didn't turn a revenue wheel". Which really doesn't cut it when it gets down to it.

We really need to be done with the guys hired in the 80s though. They've had their fair share and I'm done listening to their stories/excuses. All of them!!

 

[waveflyer]

Flop, you don't get to make up your own facts or redefine SCAB. These numbers are from the master scab list. The 570's may or may not be suspect but they are NOT SCABS, never turned a wheel. UAL- 837, CAL- 1996.........


1. Century Airlines 1932: 1 scab
2. TWA 1946: 2 scabs
3. National Airlines 1948: 101 scabs
4. Western Airlines 1958: 3 scabs
5. Southern Airways 1960: 205 scabs
6. Rio Airways 1976: 43 scabs
7. Wien Air Alaska 1977: 82 scabs
8. Northwest Summary 1978. 34 scabs
9. Continental Airlines 1983: 1,996 scabs
10. Pan American 1985: 139 scabs
11. United Airlines 1985: 837 scabs
12. Eastern Airlines 1989: 2,253 scabs
13. AFAP 1989: 85 scabs
14. Comair 2001: 3 scabs
15. Prinair (year?): 2 scabs
16. Air North (year?): 2 scabs

Don't forget the one from Spirit

 

[Shrek]

Was it only 1 I thought it was 2.

 

[waveflyer]

Maybe

Depends on if you count the mgmt capt who flew with him- was he a union pilot? Does that matter
Don't know the details- takes two to fly a jet and a jet was flown