Union coming at Flexjet!

[Grizz]

doh,

Without knowing what "your treatment" is, it is impossible to answer your question.

Here are two reasons that have come up in just the past couple of weeks that make me glad I pay dues.

1) The company currently wants relief from our scope provisions. That would open us up to have more of our owner flights flown by charter companies and reduce the need for pilots. If it weren't for our union and our CBA, the company would have changed it already - and not to our benefit.

2) The union negotiated a loss of medical policy that is an adjunct to what we have in our contract. It picks up after our contractually defined loss of medical provision ends (3 years) and goes out to normal retirement age. That one little tidbit right there is worth every penny I've paid in dues since 2002.

I could list many more examples but the bottom line is that a union acts as a protective layer between the company and the worker. It leverages the power of the employees to bring greater benefits and pay than would be available to individuals. Companies can not make wholesale changes to pay and working conditions because they are bound by a contract.

 

[Propilot77]

We don't meet the definition of air carrier according to the RLA or Bond-McCaskill. How does voting a union help us during a merger/buyout? What are the specific deficiencies in our treatment that a union would address? Convince me that I need representation.

Come on now...are you that clueless?

 

[doh]

My post is directed to Flex pilots more than toward the general what do a union do crowd.

 

[doh]

Come on now...are you that clueless?

Are you a Flex pilot?

 

[DirtyBeech]

Join the ibt Flex forum and ask. This forum is....monitored.

 

[NewFlex]

How are we doing?, roughly, on the card drive. Here is to us, hopefully the final drive for this.

 

[warlord19]

doh, since nobody on this forum will give you an answer, I would suggest just figuring out for yourself the COSTS vs. BENEFITS of going union, and vote accordingly. I was curious about a few of the genius's post about Flex hiring Ford & Harrison for a little union bashing(according to one post F.O. had previously hired them). A simple Google on F & H + Flex revealed we hired Harrison Ford(well-known actor and, I guess, union basher) to do an event for us next month.
Good Luck,
WL

 

[Grizz]

Warlord,

I met a bunch of your Ford and Harrison overlords back in Key West three years ago during a NMB conference. They had a hot little blond as a new attorney. She's not your boss is she?

I don't think so. You act like you belong to one of the knuckleheads I saw trying to cozy up to the republican appointees on the NMB.

 

[warlord19]

doh, I would bring your attention to the above (Griz) post to understand the type of mentatlity you are dealing with.
WL

 

[G4dude]

doh, I would bring your attention to the above (Griz) post to understand the type of mentatlity you are dealing with.
WL

Exactly.

 

[FalconPilot69]

Anyone who has attended a single pilot pay meeting will see F&H or even flat out Ford and Harrison on the slide show stating their sources for the pilot compensation package.

doh, since nobody on this forum will give you an answer, I would suggest just figuring out for yourself the COSTS vs. BENEFITS of going union, and vote accordingly. I was curious about a few of the genius's post about Flex hiring Ford & Harrison for a little union bashing(according to one post F.O. had previously hired them). A simple Google on F & H + Flex revealed we hired Harrison Ford(well-known actor and, I guess, union basher) to do an event for us next month.
Good Luck,
WL

 

[jetmaster727]

If you want to try privately, you can pm me. But really, no one wants to get specific about a union?

Just ask what is happening to a senior 45 captain and then ask yourself why you need a union!

 

[FraxJockey]

Just ask what is happening to a senior 45 captain and then ask yourself why you need a union!

Do you really know all the facts? Unfortunately I do. Throwing this out in a forum that is trying to have some semblance of decency is not doing anyone any good.

 

[jetmaster727]

Do you really know all the facts? Unfortunately I do. Throwing this out in a forum that is trying to have some semblance of decency is not doing anyone any good.

Well enlighten us then oh great one!

 

[FraxJockey]

Evidently you have enough info to make these allegations. This in not the place to talk about these things. Next time you're in the schoolhouse ask your IP. I haven't posted anything here in years, but to say something that is this wrong just touched a nerve. Sorry. I've said too much as it is. I don't want to start any pi$$$ing contest.

 

[warlord19]

Us "anti-union for Flex" crewmembers need to point out this obvious example of unionist's wanna be's posting stuff they have no knowledge of as another example of their desperation to try and scare crewmembers. Call your ACP or CP if you want to know the facts, and don't be afraid to start a pi$$$ing contest, Frax.
WL

 

[Flyingdog1]

Guys, let's drop all the emotions. Just post the facts, pros and and cons.

1. My main concern is, what if Netjets buys Flex? If we are IBT, will it help? They just bought 120 Globals ( that Flex can't find a market for ???? ) are 300's next, 85's?

2. first day, last day rules.

3. 401k contributions.

4. pension plan.

5. selling back sick days.

I mean the list goes on forever and there is little feed back from the View.

We need some civil commentary on the facts.

 

[jetmaster727]

Evidently you have enough info to make these allegations. This in not the place to talk about these things. Next time you're in the schoolhouse ask your IP. I haven't posted anything here in years, but to say something that is this wrong just touched a nerve. Sorry. I've said too much as it is. I don't want to start any pi$$$ing contest.

This whole secretive attitude thing is one of the problems here. Some of you guys in the school house are way out of control!

 

[doh]

How do you prevent Emeryization from the company?

 

[jetmaster727]

How do you prevent Emeryization from the company?

They already fired that guy!

 

[2dotslow]

How do you prevent Emeryization from the company?

Help me out here, what does Emery-ization mean? Are you talking about Emery aircargo who's maintainence killed 3 people in San Jose and gave up their certificate and are now out of business, or what?

Sorry, it kind of hit a nerve. I knew the Captain on that flight.

2dots

 

[doh]

The guys I know from Emery say the company just quit trying to run a going concern after the pilots unionized. Management ran it into the ground and after the crashes (there were two I believe), they gave up the certificate while simultaneously contracting out all their flying. Management still got their money. There are four pilots I know who are ex Emery and all of them say that was the response because management was PO'ed about the union.

 

[2dotslow]

So I still don't know what you mean by Emery-ization, and what pilot is the other guy talking about?

2dots

 

[doh]

I have no idea who he is talking about. My question: What are the chances that Bombardier would close flex down and just sell airplanes if we unionize? Which is what Emery did. What contingency defense does the union have for such an occurrence? Has anyone even considered the possibility? Remember, Flexjet management does not ultimately have control, the parent does. How do you bind a foreign parent to a domestic contract?

 

[Dooker]

The guys I know from Emery say the company just quit trying to run a going concern after the pilots unionized. Management ran it into the ground and after the crashes (there were two I believe), they gave up the certificate while simultaneously contracting out all their flying. Management still got their money. There are four pilots I know who are ex Emery and all of them say that was the response because management was PO'ed about the union.

Ok, well ... Flexjet isn't Emery. And Bombardier's managed to do quite well for itself with an otherwise largely unionized workforce.

 

[FraxJockey]

This whole secretive attitude thing is one of the problems here. Some of you guys in the school house are way out of control!

Sorry you feel that way. Some of the best training I have had has been at Flexjet.

 

[BARNSTORM]

I'm finally turning in my card before it's too late.

 

[bunman45]

Sorry you feel that way. Some of the best training I have had has been at Flexjet.

We don't do training at flexjet. We do flight checks. You don't get any training unless you fail and that's only if the TRB says your worthy of training. Food for thought.

 

[bunman45]

Also, I should have said this is not the fault of the training center, but the amount of money budgeted by the company. Its all about xing the boxes and getting u back out there. The check airman are just doing their best with the resources that are given to them. That being said there is serious room for improvement.

 

[DirtyBeech]

I guess that Bombardier could dissolve FJ and flood the market with another 80+ used aircraft. It's certainly a possibility, but far from a probability. We still have aircraft on property that have been parked and for sale for two plus years. And let's not forget the owner contracts.

It's more likely that Bombardier will figure out how to operate with yet another unionized part of their operation. We're not asking for the world here. Will it cost the company more? Yes. Will it shut us down. No. We're not asking for pay raises or free healthcare for life. We want job protection and some tweaking of our work rules. It's up to us elect good and reasonable people to people to represent us. We can elect people who will make unrealistic demands, or we can do better.

Ask yourself one question. Do you want FR and DG negotiating for you in a merger/buyout situation? Do you feel confident in the direction of the company?

Send your cards in. They are not "yes" votes. They are yes I want to have a vote votes. Vote for change, or vote for the statu quo, but at least have a vote.