Unhappy ExpressJet Pilots...

[j3tdr1v3r]

I have my gripes like everyone else but, I don't put up with that mopey "screw the company" crap.

Neither do the majority of us (XJT). We, however, refuse to bend over and let the company screw us over carte blanche.
Many on here seem to take the refusal to do the latter as willingly doing the former... Couldn't be farther from the truth.
I, and anyone I have talked to, want the combined XJT to succeed better than any other. It's my, and my family's, livelihood. But, having it "succeed" on the backs of our contracts alone, while mgmt takes home record bonuses will no longer happen on our watch.
Fair contract, and we (legacy XJT) have proven that we will bust our tails to do whatever necessary (i.e. the extra work we put forth in cost savings, etc. to try to help branded work).
However... ******************** us over only to leave with the millions in bonuses our former "team" got and you're damn right we will lose the "team" attitude real quick.
We aren't asking for 200% pay increases with 20 days off (unless in jest). We only want a fair contract.
We're already took concessions only to watch a combined ~$24.5M walk out in bonuses, salaries,and severance pkgs. It won't happen again.

 

[dojetdriver]

Nevets is wrong when he said that we had a 10 year CPA in effect when SKYW first tried to buy XJT in 2008. Actually, our CPA with CAL was amendable in 2012.

Nevets had it wrong when he said we had a rock solid 10 year CPA when SKYW "tried" to purchase XJT the first time. We had a rock-solid CPA until 2012..

I think what Nevets meant to say was that we were under a 10 year CPA, 10 years from the IPO spinoff till 2012. So in 2008 it was 6 years into a 10 year deal. As far as the rates go. But of course, the language was STILL 25% of the flying could be pulled at the schedule contained in the CPA. Just like when announced in 2006, and taking effect in 2007

And to rub more salt in the wound, SKYW got a 5-plus million dollar parting gift from CAL for playing the game.

I thought it was 8 million? No matter, Jerry collected his "thanks for helping us punk ExpressJet" check.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Neither do the majority of us (XJT). We, however, refuse to bend over and let the company screw us over carte blanche.
Many on here seem to take the refusal to do the latter as willingly doing the former... Couldn't be farther from the truth.
I, and anyone I have talked to, want the combined XJT to succeed better than any other. It's my, and my family's, livelihood. But, having it "succeed" on the backs of our contracts alone, while mgmt takes home record bonuses will no longer happen on our watch.
Fair contract, and we (legacy XJT) have proven that we will bust our tails to do whatever necessary (i.e. the extra work we put forth in cost savings, etc. to try to help branded work).
However... ******************** us over only to leave with the millions in bonuses our former "team" got and you're damn right we will lose the "team" attitude real quick.
We aren't asking for 200% pay increases with 20 days off (unless in jest). We only want a fair contract.
We're already took concessions only to watch a combined ~$24.5M walk out in bonuses, salaries,and severance pkgs. It won't happen again.

How do we define "fair contract" and "bending over"? Based on pre-deregulation pay and workrules, this flying should probably pay at least 50 percent more than it does now...would that be "fair"?

Let me ask this question differently if you aren't comfortable with the previous analogy...Which regional currently gets paid more fairly and is getting less "bent over" right now?

Perspective is everything in any debate...

 

[79%N1]

I have two Captain friends at XJT that state their acceptable contract gains are 20% increases to pay. Now, assuming they both earn about $80/hr, a 20% increase takes you to $96/hr!!! C'mon guys, really!!! You may think that is what a 50 seat RJ captain should be worth........but, where in the marketplace is that amount paid?

 

[Texx]

I think what Nevets meant to say was that we were under a 10 year CPA, 10 years from the IPO spinoff till 2012. So in 2008 it was 6 years into a 10 year deal. As far as the rates go. But of course, the language was STILL 25% of the flying could be pulled at the schedule contained in the CPA. Just like when announced in 2006, and taking effect in 2007



I thought it was 8 million? No matter, Jerry collected his "thanks for helping us punk ExpressJet" check.

If you do some research it is not uncommon for a separation fee to be negotiated prior to doing a deal.

 

[CiFIknow]

Well riddle me this. If you had such an iron-clad cost-plus contract, for ten years to come, how could Jerry have whipsawed you/us? Then, to purchase XJT with that much time left on such a sweet, iron-clad contract, why would anyone in their right mind undercut themselves? Even if they bought it just to flip the shares, why not milk that sweet deal for 10 more contractual years. Just to screw over the pilots???

Admittedly, I haven't read the filings but something here just doesn't add up.

If you do some research it is not uncommon for a separation fee to be negotiated prior to doing a deal.

I understand the separation fee. Being that this deal was never serious in the first place makes the money paid to Skyw more of a reward than a separation fee.

 

[pilotkppsg]

I have two Captain friends at XJT that state their acceptable contract gains are 20% increases to pay. Now, assuming they both earn about $80/hr, a 20% increase takes you to $96/hr!!! C'mon guys, really!!! You may think that is what a 50 seat RJ captain should be worth........but, where in the marketplace is that amount paid?

Ok, what is acceptable to u, a 5-6% increase on a 2-3 year cba and bringing Asa up to our contact levels and call it a day?

 

[CFIT]

I have two Captain friends at XJT that state their acceptable contract gains are 20% increases to pay. Now, assuming they both earn about $80/hr, a 20% increase takes you to $96/hr!!! C'mon guys, really!!! You may think that is what a 50 seat RJ captain should be worth........but, where in the marketplace is that amount paid?

Skywest, RJ Captain 10 years of service.

Not sure about the 20% increase though.

Well, I am sure, not going to happen.........

 

[79%N1]

Skywest, RJ Captain 10 years of service.

Not sure about the 20% increase though.

Well, I am sure, not going to happen.........

Um, excuse me?

According to APC, a 10th year Skywest Captain earns $77/hr on the crj200 and $81/hr on the 700/900. It is not until year 18 on the 200 and year 16 on the 700/900 that a Skywest capt sees $96/hr. Again shows how ridiculous demanding 96/hr as a 9 or 10 year capt at XJT is.

 

[dojetdriver]

If you do some research it is not uncommon for a separation fee to be negotiated prior to doing a deal.

True, but it's probably safe to say that it was MORE than the 5-8 million dollars CAL payed SKW to squeeze XJT into a "cost neutral" (money losing) CPA.

Never mind that CAL couldn't afford to pay out the early termination penalty AND bring in another SJP to provide 200+ airplanes of regional lift.

 

[cbrown1]

Um, excuse me?

According to APC, a 10th year Skywest Captain earns $77/hr on the crj200 and $81/hr on the 700/900. It is not until year 18 on the 200 and year 16 on the 700/900 that a Skywest capt sees $96/hr. Again shows how ridiculous demanding 96/hr as a 9 or 10 year capt at XJT is.

Those pay rates are outdated. They even sperated the 700 and 900.

 

[79%N1]

Those pay rates are outdated. They even sperated the 700 and 900.

So, someone can confirm that tenth year crj200 pay at Skywest is $96 per hour? I find that very hard to believe, considering that is pretty close to topped out pay on the 700/900 at ASA!

 

[007]

I've said this before and say it again to all you "Market People". Let's cut the F/O's pay to ZERO, Captains max pay at 33,000 a year. No min days off. We should take over everything in no time and then what? The "Market" now takes that as the new normal. The "Market" will only support LOWER COSTS, at no point does it support higher costs. So the only way you're gonna get paid what you think you should be paid is when draw a line in the sand and say:" This much no less". Some of u realize this.

 

[princeton]

I have two Captain friends at XJT that state their acceptable contract gains are 20% increases to pay. Now, assuming they both earn about $80/hr, a 20% increase takes you to $96/hr!!! C'mon guys, really!!! You may think that is what a 50 seat RJ captain should be worth........but, where in the marketplace is that amount paid?

What are you talking about? Xjt already has 50-seat rates above that, so it just depends how long you've been there. Same deal with Eagle and even Skywest, it just goes to show that you've set your bar way too low.

 

[nerjdriver]

I have two Captain friends at XJT that state their acceptable contract gains are 20% increases to pay. Now, assuming they both earn about $80/hr, a 20% increase takes you to $96/hr!!! C'mon guys, really!!! You may think that is what a 50 seat RJ captain should be worth........but, where in the marketplace is that amount paid?

Well 14% of that is a raise....which we haven't had in years. The 6 % is the concession. You better jump on the bandwagon boss.....are you the guy that said XJT should take a $7 cut across the board?