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Uncle Jerry's Visit to The ASA Crew Rm

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first statement: I soeriously doubt JA made a statement like that in his private office, much less in a public place.

second statement: Sounds eerily similar to ALPA.

He said the same thing in the SLC crew louge earlier in the year. It is BLs mantra so it must be reinforced.

It is nothing more than an attempt to deflect some of the anger for the slow pace of negotiations onto a third party who is no longer part of the process (except in the background).
 
Was he telling the truth, maybe. Is the MEC telling us the whole truth, also maybe. The spin from both sides is so great that the whole truth is somewhere down the middle. I want a contract that is both fair and sustainable. One that will keep me AND the company viable/competative for the long haul. What I don't want is a token contract (Comair) that was not sustainable and will have large modifications done to it. Dump retirement and come off some of these other insane demands and get it done.

By the way, I believe that I and the pilot group have been very patient through this four+ year tragedy. That is why I want a contract NOW.
I believe the answer is to vote in different reps who will be reasonable in the demands made to ASA. Its now up to us to effect some change.
 
I believe the answer is to vote in different reps who will be reasonable in the demands made to ASA. Its now up to us to effect some change.

....and you think that John, Lynn, and Barry are those reps, huh?
 
I believe the answer is to vote in different reps who will be reasonable in the demands made to ASA. Its now up to us to effect some change.

Agreed...ALPA national has been revamped and now its time for change at the local level to finish this up.
 
Who wants to bet if the mediator would just release us, we would have a contract in 30 day??? Delta/Jerry/Bryan will not let it go as far as a strike. Way to detrimental. I have a feeling he won't release us. Management won't meet us in the middle either. I'm beyond this company right now. It's like a broken record.
 
They are the alternatives I have to choose from. Are you on the ballot?

Not that you'll change your mind about your vote, but Nick Tomlin and Danny Utley are also running for Capt's reps for the two LEC Council positions, by far better choices than the LJ Coalition.

VOTED IN FAVOR!
Vote for Nick Tomlin and Danny Utley for LEC Capt's Reps
A vote for the LJ Coalition is selling out to management-who endorses LJ & Company
 
Who wants to bet if the mediator would just release us, we would have a contract in 30 day??? Delta/Jerry/Bryan will not let it go as far as a strike. Way to detrimental. I have a feeling he won't release us. Management won't meet us in the middle either. I'm beyond this company right now. It's like a broken record.
less than 30 days....and it isn't just the company feeding you shovels full of cow pie.
 
Not that you'll change your mind about your vote, but Nick Tomlin and Danny Utley are also running for Capt's reps for the two LEC Council positions, by far better choices than the LJ Coalition.

VOTED IN FAVOR!
Vote for Nick Tomlin and Danny Utley for LEC Capt's Reps
A vote for the LJ Coalition is selling out to management-who endorses LJ & Company
My opinion of them (as far as alpa is concerned) is they are simply more of the same. I will vote for change and take my chances. If Nick and Danny win, I will support them in their posts and accept what they are able to deliver, if they are able to deliver.
 
Agreed...ALPA national has been revamped and now its time for change at the local level to finish this up.


Hey atlcrjdriver - you need to do some serious discovery on those you think are going to affect change. LJ has an extensive history here. She IS NOT new blood. She may seem nice enough on the surface - but there is more to representing your interests than just that. I know you haven't been at ASA long enough to know this - so you need to ask around the lounge for opinions from pilots whom you respect & who have been here long enough to know her record. I will tell you outright - you will not like what you hear.

When you couple the info you gather along with the the company she keeps (ie John Breiling & the RJDC) & the fact that she is endorsed by Scott Hall & Brian Wilson (perinnial pilot & union basher) - you will begin to see that she is in this for the power & self-interest of the position. The rest on her ticket do not have the experience to engage the company at this critical hour & WILL be forced to rely on her for guidance. The mistake here is that she is in this for her own (and John's) interests.... not what is best for the majority of the pilot group.

I agree with some of what you are after. I agree (opinion only) we should drop the retirement issue in leiu of better 401k matching. I agree we should come down rates & perhaps fold in PBS if it can be made to comply with the newly TA's scheduling section. However - L. Jackson will sell you down the river in a quick minute. She will not honor her campaign promises & you should look to her history of past performance. There you will find examples of her self-serving style of "leadership". (ie - pft repayments, C. Pilot/management ambitions, & when the going gets rough...."I quit").

All you new guys.... wise up & ask around - this is not a change for the better.
 
first statement: I soeriously doubt JA made a statement like that in his private office, much less in a public place.

second statement: Sounds eerily similar to ALPA.

Well you are wrong. There were two tape recorders being used to record his statements. There were also about 15 pilots who listened to him make the statement. He is not a timid little worm like you.
 
Socony Air:

Don't get support for the RJDC confused with "union basher." I am a supporter of the RJDC and a union supporter. ALPA is our best hope for restoring this profession and ALPA is strongest when it represents all of its membership equally. The winds of ALPA political talk have been blowing towards a more inclusive union since the BOD meeting. But "Brand Scope" was also an ALPA talking point for a while that could not find traction with the select few major MEC members who functionally command the entire union.

At its core, the RJDC is a grass roots labor union effort. Over the years ALPA has become exclusionary and as a result lost its power. The RJDC wants an inclusive union - where all members have access to ALPA's tool box and where all members have the rights to negotiate their wages and working conditions with their employers. This would and will increase ALPA's power.

At ASA we are in the tough position of trying to hold the line while having had our scope blockade torpedo'd by ALPA National at the direction of the Delta MEC. ALPA and our local representatives are on the right side of this battle, but do not have much to fight with. Each airplane that SkyWest takes delivery of diminishes our power and we are apparently powerless to stop the transfer because ALPA failed to negotiate and at times actively blocked our attempts at securing scope.

The SkyWest pilots and the ASA pilots would benefit by bringing ALPA on to the SkyWest property. We can hold the line on this profession together. But separate we will both suffer the career instability and uncertainty caused by management whipsaw.

So I'm an ALPA supporter and have even enquired about going to SkyWest crew bases to promote ALPA. At the same time, I realize that ALPA must be reformed of it will continue its slide into irrelevance. Particularly at ASA, we are on the front lines of the battle and the unfortunate truth is that troops on the front line often get killed.

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P.S. (general comments, not just to Socony) For this reason I think the ASA pilot reps should move forward on management's proposal with improvements in section 1 (scope). If SkyWest will not accept an improved section 1, then we should hold the line until ASA is gone, since that is a very possible outcome without section 1 anyway.

I would have liked to respectfully ask Jerry Atkin his thoughts on such a settlement. Not that I like Jerry Atkin, but I recognize that he has more power than any other individual in the Regional Airline business and, he isn't some Harvard Grad, or lucky middle level manager brown noser. He brought his airline empire up from nearly nothing and has the ego to go with his accomplishments. We don't get anywhere insulting and disrespecting people like Atkin. At best he thinks the insults are stupid and at worst he takes a personal interest in seeing you (or the group you represent) get destroyed. In the business world it is always the best policy to be as nice as you can and as firm as you have to be.
 
With Fins, we're starting to see some logic show through the repetitive retoric. The dilemma is how much are you willing to pay for scope? Because it will certainly be very expensive and Jerry knows how important it is to him. Are you and your cohorts willing to take a substantial cut? Probably not. What about for retro or a signing bonus, eliminating PBS (although I don't blame you on PBS), how much are you willing to pay?

And of course when I say pay I mean how far back can you go on your scale? None of these things will be cheap.
 

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