Uncle Jerry's Visit to The ASA Crew Rm

[ASADriver]

Who the heck are you taking a poke at? You are the coward who lacks the testicular fortitude and conviction of beliefs to stand up and be counted in the crew lounge.

This is FI. Your opinion means exactly jack $hit until you stand up and tell people what you believe in a real life forum, like the crew lounge or an MEC or LEC meeting.

RIght now you are just another cowrdly, sniping, Flight Info jerkoff.

More attacks from the ALPA elitists. Disagree with ALPA, and you will be accused of being a cowardly sniping FI jerkoff, by a cowardly sniping FI ALPA flagwaver.

 

[sweptback]

hmmm. lets see....I recall mgmt. asking for something like 8% reduction for 700 ca. and a single rate for all fo's (could have been more but, I don't really remember). I also recall ALPA asking for something like 12 or 13 % rate increases (also could have been more...I'm trying to be a little conservative).

By that logic, management should have asked for a 20% decrease in pay rates so they could thump their chest and say they moved more. Yes, if you want to look at it that way, management moved more. They only moved, however, because they realized that they had no justification for pay cuts when we're making record profits and giving BL $800,000 in stock.

 

[FightingIrish]

By that logic, management should have asked for a 20% decrease in pay rates so they could thump their chest and say they moved more. Yes, if you want to look at it that way, management moved more. They only moved, however, because they realized that they had no justification for pay cuts when we're making record profits and giving BL $800,000 in stock.

1. BL didn't get $800,000 in stock. He got stock options - that isn't the same as getting stock. With options, you basically only get the appreciation of the stock, not the value of it. It bothers me that the union puts out misleading information about the stock options. Either they don't understand the difference, or they are purposely trying to get people upset.

2. Do we have a justification for still asking for a retirement plan, the best instructor section in the industry, and 70 seat rates that higher than most of our competitors? Both sides are playing this game and it is getting old.

3. How do you define "record profits". How does our profit margin compare to 5 years ago? Here's a hint, it is far less.

 

[ohplease!]

By that logic, management should have asked for a 20% decrease in pay rates so they could thump their chest and say they moved more. Yes, if you want to look at it that way, management moved more. They only moved, however, because they realized that they had no justification for pay cuts when we're making record profits and giving BL $800,000 in stock.

then by the same token, alpa should have asked for a 50% increase....any more silly comments?

The fact is BOTH sides began at a point that NEITHER thought was attainable so they would have "room to move" during negotiations. Another FACT is alpa has NOT moved much AT ALL. And in my opinion, alpa is being unresonable. Not totaly but 10 1/2 % AIN'T GONNA FLY (neither is retirement) although, retro or a signing bonus just might.

 

[FightingIrish]

Both sides started with unreasonable demands. Both sides dragged their feet at various times. Both sides have played loose with the facts. That is the way the game is played. However after 4+ years it is time to quit playing games. The pilots have been patient, but that patience is quickly fading.

 

[ohplease!]

Both sides started with unreasonable demands. Both sides dragged their feet at various times. Both sides have played loose with the facts. That is the way the game is played. However after 4+ years it is time to quit playing games. The pilots have been patient, but that patience is quickly fading.

ditto.

 

[Bizjet]

Man, you shouldn't admit that. Because after your endless and pointless tirades and childlike temper tantrums, you should maybe have an excuse for acting like a total moron.

What is your excuse bonehead?

Maybe you're a drug user, that might explain some of it?

Maybe you are a child molester?

Maybe your parents were actually cousins? (you know the old saying "nothing like luvin when you're getting it from your cuzin")

Maybe your parents were never married making you a little ba$tard?

Maybe you forgot to put your helmet on when you played football?

Maybe you were the football teams equipment coach so you could see men naked?

Maybe your car has a muffler leak?

Maybe you liked your car so much you blew its engine?

Maybe it's just that you can't see the industry for what it is today and get out of the past? But if you said you were a cronic boozer that might explain some of your retarded comments.

Maybe you had JA give you personal instruction on the industry and you then became his boy?

You were so close to having an excuse, you've blown it again.....

Maybe you shouldn't share what you have blown lately?

AND JUST MAYBE YOU DESERVED THIS REPLY IN KIND!

 

[Pogue Mahone]

More attacks from the ALPA elitists. Disagree with ALPA, and you will be accused of being a cowardly sniping FI jerkoff, by a cowardly sniping FI ALPA flagwaver.

The difference between you and me, is that I will stand up in the crew lounge and tell people what I think, why I think it, and what I do on a daily basis to try and change this place for the better. I attend LEC meetings, I participate in the process.

I take the arrows from those who disagree, and I am happy to discuss the reasons behind why I support our current path.

I have stood in the crew lounge face to face with Brian Wilson and listened to one of his rants about how things should work. I have calmly tried to discuss why I believe that his view of the mgt/labor world we live in is wrong. I have never attked anyone in person. I listen, I discuss, and a value differing opinions.

The fact is, as much as I disagree with Brian, I have to say that I respect the fact that he will put his name to his opinion. I find him terribly misguided and his ideas of how a representative democracy is supposed to work is ridiculous IMHO. That being said, he will engage those he disagrees with, he will sign his name to rants, as evidnced by the letters dropped in our boxes in ATL and his silly V1 articles.

I can't say that for the rest of you. I am in the crew lounge a lot. Every once in a while someone will state opinion differing from the majority. Not very often though. I know differing opinions exist, and I am happy to discuss them. Which we should be doing. Often times some of the best ideas and solutions come from the dissenting opinion.

Once again, the difference between you and me (unless you are Brian) is that I put a name and face to my beliefs. I don't sit mute in the crew lounge and then run home and blaze away on the keyboard about how wrong the current leadership is. If you think it is broken, log off, volunteer, get involved and DO SOMETHING!

 

[ohplease!]

Once again, the difference between you and me (unless you are Brian) is that I put a name and face to my beliefs. I don't sit mute in the crew lounge and then run home and blaze away on the keyboard about how wrong the current leadership is. If you think it is broken, log off, volunteer, get involved and DO SOMETHING!

Pogue Mahone is your real name and you look a lot like Jerry Atkin? Sh!t! Who knew?!?!

 

[~~~^~~~]

1. BL didn't get $800,000 in stock. He got stock options - that isn't the same as getting stock.

There is a difference between options and a stock grant. My understanding Brian got his stock grant the same way I did, his just happened to be a lot bigger than my $1,000 grant.

Do we really know the 4 horsemen got the nomination 7 to 1? Wow and Yikes. Some folks may have nominated them simply to rock the boat and will vote differently.

Regardless of who wins, I think our contract is headed nearly the same place because I trust our Reps will Represent us. But after the contract we still need Representatives, most importantly for day to day business and we will probably be negotiating Preferential Bidding at some point.

Last night at a table full of pilots from other carriers, everyone seemed happy with Preferential Bidding. The junior guys said they got in open time to fix what they did not like with their awards.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Irish,

You are wrong. It was a stock grant. Not options. Don't listen rumor. Get on the internet and look it up yourself.

Subscribe to Edgar, read the 10ks, read the 8ks, read the analyst reports, read the insider activity reports.

The truth is out there.

 

[atrdriver]

1. BL didn't get $800,000 in stock. He got stock options - that isn't the same as getting stock.

No, he got "restricted stock", not stock options. I saw the SEC filing, and already had this argument with SH. I don't know what the restrictions are, but they were definatly NOT options.

 

[goahead]

Your all wrong he's got your azz......

 

[HelloNewman]

people like Bizjet = one of the biggest reasons past unions drives have gone down in flames at SkyWest.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

people like Bizjet = one of the biggest reasons past unions drives have gone down in flames at SkyWest.

6 votes....yes, that is down in flames.

 

[SkyNation]

Last night at a table full of pilots from other carriers, everyone seemed happy with Preferential Bidding. The junior guys said they got in open time to fix what they did not like with their awards.

I'll add my endorsement to that. Most folks I fly with agree-PBS is an improvement and provides lots of flexibility. If that is a sticking point for you guys in negotiations, it shouldn't be.

 

[sweptback]

I'll add my endorsement to that. Most folks I fly with agree-PBS is an improvement and provides lots of flexibility. If that is a sticking point for you guys in negotiations, it shouldn't be.

We don't have a problem with PBS. Any rational person knows that everything's going that way (especially since most airlines now are PBS already). ALPA just wants to make sure it is mutually agreeable and that it is as small of a concession as possible.

We already TA'd a pretty decent, if not industry leading, scheduling section. The last thing that should happen is for it to be compromised because of the switch to PBS.

It would be best for PBS to be negotiated as a side letter, as opposed to holding up the contract longer. That is one thing at least that both ALPA and the company mostly agree on.

 

[HelloNewman]

6 votes....yes, that is down in flames.

That 1999 drive was close. Look at the results of the 2004 union drive. Other union drives in the past also havent gone exceptionally well. One common factor is that toward the end of union drives it turns into a name calling and lecturing contest. Guys lecture you about how you "need" the union and call you all sorts of names if you disagree. I can tell myself what I need or don't need thank you very much. I am happy with PBS, I am happy with pay still around the top of the industry. I am happy with my schedule. I am happy with my life. Remember how the old saying goes if it's not broke then don't fix it.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Acutally it is 4-0, not 6. Prior to that, ALPA had not lost a vote that I remember. And even though I have called for ALPA's reform, ALPA would be the best choice to represent the SkyWest pilots at this time.

SkyWest has been the beneficiary of ALPA's battles for pay and working conditions. Jerry throws out bones to keep the SkyWest guys from seeking representation. However, with the size of SkyWest, can the pilot group continue to lag behind those who are trying to restore this profession?

The few SkyWest guys I know are stand up folks who are ready to bring leadership to our profession. ALPA is the way to join together to raise all of us to a higher standard.

 

[goahead]

God, is this thread still going. Let it go. We are going to be nothing in six months. Get your shi_t together and go somewhere else, otherwise you'll have a heart attack in a year or so. It's not worth it.