UAL to not make it through the Winter???

[waveflyer]

If you want to compare politics, I can move this thread to the N-A forum and you can have at each other!

You're a MOD and you want to single out me in this thread? Take a closer look and see who introduced politics in this thread first. I don't care what you do with this thread - it's your forum.

To the rest - it's been said about both bush's, and Reagan - I'll throw in Teddy Roosevelt who actually had a green agenda.
BUTBird has a point- you do either think the constitution is a living document designed to be modified and adjusted with time- or you're a strict constructionist. That's another debate. I'll just go navy v AF- show me where in the constitution it forbids the president from addressing kids. It's transparent- rush wants Obama to fail- and this is another way you can try to cut him down.

As far as UAL goes- good luck-

 

[Lear70]

One other point is hopefully we will start to see the end of the fee-for-departure contracts with the regional jet operators. Subsidizing money losing routes with expensive small jets is becoming more noticed in the era of collapsing revenues.

This is an interesting proposition, as it leads us back into government-subsidized routes and small, individual operators running them at what would be a loss but backed by government subsidies.

How many routes have to fall to that before the federal government looks at how much they're subsidizing air travel again?

Hey Andy, welcome back!

To the political people, take it somewhere else. If you want to discuss how Obama will likely bail out UAL, fine. You start talking all the other crap, take it to N/A. There's a REASON I don't visit that forum. I'm here to listen and talk about AIRLINES. Not whether Obama can talk to kids in schools.

Jeez...

 

[SFR]

I would be so sad is UAL closed. It would be terrible for CAL, we would probably grow too much.

 

[contrail67]

I would be so sad is UAL closed. It would be terrible for CAL, we would probably grow too much.

Don't worry...you won't have to be sad...this whole thread is just more negative HYPE from more FI.COM idiots.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

I won't view United as dead until I see a lot of asset sales. That's always the precursor. So far, no asset sales.

I thought that, basically, all of UAL's assets were already leveraged to raise cash, so that they cannot sell any of them?

cliff
NBO

 

[Dumb Pilot]

:laugh:When did UAL get in financial troubles

 

[NavinRJohnson]

Andy:

Double plus ungood? It's been a long time since I read Orwell. Very nice.

Navin...

 

[ualdriver]

As for the pilots at United, I think that they're a bunch of self-serving idiots.

So you won't be coming back Andy, correct? Certainly you wouldn't want to be associated with such a group?

 

[chppr5]

I was thinking the same thing ual....I think he is still selling his assets waiting for the run on the banks.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Andy:

Double plus ungood? It's been a long time since I read Orwell. Very nice.

Navin...

And appropriate these days, don't you think?

 

[Mr.B]

Guys:

I'm NOT trying to stir up a hornet's nest or pi$$ in anyone's Cheerios. Please don't take it that way. I don't want this to happen and am not advocating a position either way.

I'm just wondering if anyone else is hearing this. Yesterday, I had a talk with a bud about consolidation in the industry vis a vis DAL and NWA and the topic turned to UAL and whether they will make it at all. His theory was that they shouldn't and I disagreed simply on a jobs front. We were talking about UAL having to pledge spare parts as collateral for their loan covenants and I thought that definitely didn't sound good. He said that he is hearing that Lufthansa and others are hovering around trying to figure out which parts they want, planes, routes, ops, gates, systems, etc.

So what is the scoop over there? Is there a load factor issue? Is there no money or advance bookings to make through the Winter? Are there rumors of parting out the company?

Just wondering. No flamebait. Best of luck to all the UAL bros and buds that I have over there. This industry is proving to be a mother!

WM

How about I come on here next spring and tell you what an idiotic post this is.

For now, you and your buddy are morons.

 

[PUCKFA18]

Whether you agree with obamas politics- the potus has earned the right to address our kids. If there's something you disagree with, an adult would talk to their kids and explain that it's ok to disagree with authority- republican, democrat, or communist- and explain why you think differently on whatever subject. A great opportunity to show your kids what america is all about.

But that's not what the right is doing. You're throwing a fit about this and villifying Obama. Just like you did on the stimulus, which he inherited. And just like you're doing now with healthcare, a major platform of the Obama campaign. He won the election- dems resoundingly defeated republicans with that platform.

He has absolutely reached out and demanded bi-partisanship in a country where the right only cares about tearing him down. You throw a fit on every issue- villifying him at every turn- never coming up with your own solutions and you expect us to listen to you. Your attempting to pull off 1994 again in a completely different political environment. My generation sees your tactics- and is very turned off. We're also not ex-hippies and could care less about punching bullies in the nose. It's the only way to deal with a bully. And the only way to deal with a child throwing a fit is to put em in timeout.

Go to the corner now- people are dying and there are real problems to solve that the right has ignored for too long

Come on bro...your totally off point of the forum...go to a political forum to do your *itching!!

 

[Indy319FA]

Bottom line if he's the pres he gets to address them just like Bush #1 in 1991 and W reading the goat book during 9/11. I would welcome any president to address the students of this nation especially with a stay in school message.

Actually the speech was not what caused the original uproar. It was the fawning lesson plan put out by Obama's Department of Education that went along with it. Imagine if Bush had given a speech followed by a lesson plan that required students to write an essay on how they wanted to help him win the Iraq war. The left would have went nuts, rightfully so.

Since this lesson plan was exposed, the Education Department has been backtracking in full retreat because they know how inappropriate it is.

Nothing wrong with the President telling the kiddies to stay in school and do their homework. But when the Education Department tries to force an entire lesson plan on schools that is oriented to promote the President's political agenda then you have a problem.

 

[waveflyer]

Y'all forget who's the president...

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[waveflyer]

You've got some big-ol' political theory *there*, who knows what *they're* going to do with United. Maybe UAL will be bailed-out to ensure *their* survival.

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