UAL to not make it through the Winter???

[Mr.B]

Guys:

I'm NOT trying to stir up a hornet's nest or pi$$ in anyone's Cheerios. Please don't take it that way. I don't want this to happen and am not advocating a position either way.

I'm just wondering if anyone else is hearing this. Yesterday, I had a talk with a bud about consolidation in the industry vis a vis DAL and NWA and the topic turned to UAL and whether they will make it at all. His theory was that they shouldn't and I disagreed simply on a jobs front. We were talking about UAL having to pledge spare parts as collateral for their loan covenants and I thought that definitely didn't sound good. He said that he is hearing that Lufthansa and others are hovering around trying to figure out which parts they want, planes, routes, ops, gates, systems, etc.

So what is the scoop over there? Is there a load factor issue? Is there no money or advance bookings to make through the Winter? Are there rumors of parting out the company?

Just wondering. No flamebait. Best of luck to all the UAL bros and buds that I have over there. This industry is proving to be a mother!

WM

How about I come on here next spring and tell you what an idiotic post this is.

For now, you and your buddy are morons.

 

[PUCKFA18]

Whether you agree with obamas politics- the potus has earned the right to address our kids. If there's something you disagree with, an adult would talk to their kids and explain that it's ok to disagree with authority- republican, democrat, or communist- and explain why you think differently on whatever subject. A great opportunity to show your kids what america is all about.

But that's not what the right is doing. You're throwing a fit about this and villifying Obama. Just like you did on the stimulus, which he inherited. And just like you're doing now with healthcare, a major platform of the Obama campaign. He won the election- dems resoundingly defeated republicans with that platform.

He has absolutely reached out and demanded bi-partisanship in a country where the right only cares about tearing him down. You throw a fit on every issue- villifying him at every turn- never coming up with your own solutions and you expect us to listen to you. Your attempting to pull off 1994 again in a completely different political environment. My generation sees your tactics- and is very turned off. We're also not ex-hippies and could care less about punching bullies in the nose. It's the only way to deal with a bully. And the only way to deal with a child throwing a fit is to put em in timeout.

Go to the corner now- people are dying and there are real problems to solve that the right has ignored for too long

Come on bro...your totally off point of the forum...go to a political forum to do your *itching!!

 

[Indy319FA]

Bottom line if he's the pres he gets to address them just like Bush #1 in 1991 and W reading the goat book during 9/11. I would welcome any president to address the students of this nation especially with a stay in school message.

Actually the speech was not what caused the original uproar. It was the fawning lesson plan put out by Obama's Department of Education that went along with it. Imagine if Bush had given a speech followed by a lesson plan that required students to write an essay on how they wanted to help him win the Iraq war. The left would have went nuts, rightfully so.

Since this lesson plan was exposed, the Education Department has been backtracking in full retreat because they know how inappropriate it is.

Nothing wrong with the President telling the kiddies to stay in school and do their homework. But when the Education Department tries to force an entire lesson plan on schools that is oriented to promote the President's political agenda then you have a problem.

 

[waveflyer]

Y'all forget who's the president...

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[waveflyer]

You've got some big-ol' political theory *there*, who knows what *they're* going to do with United. Maybe UAL will be bailed-out to ensure *their* survival.

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[waveflyer]

A short time from now in a galaxy far too close:

"I drove my Government Motors clunker to the airport but it broke down halfway there. Caught a taxi the rest of the way. The cap and trade energy surcharge was more than my last paycheck. After a full interrogation of my business and political affiliation (good thing I voted Democrat and signed the petition for President-for-Life Obama) I boarded my Untied Obama Airlines flight but it ran off the runway because of lousy maintenance. There were dozens of cut and bleeding passengers taken to the local hospital but a few bled to death waiting for the Obamacare bureaucrat to sign some paperwork and find a doctor since most of them quit. Guess I'll go back to my cardboard cottage and worship my picture of Big Brother Barry."

HE will save United no matter what. Count on it.

the real start

 

[waveflyer]

The government won't even ground 50 SWA planes flying with illegal parts, and you think the government will allow a 90,000 employee company to be scraped?

Welcome to the United Socialist States of America, the USSA where nothing changes except the definition of change.

So how long do remarks like these get to be made before I'm allowed to call it out? The vast majority of professional pilots are conservative- that's good-I respect it mostly- but to take that conservativism to the extreme right- as so many of you are doing since Obamas election is disturbing. If you find yourself this heated- you should check yourself first.

 

[Andy]

Hi!


I thought that, basically, all of UAL's assets were already leveraged to raise cash, so that they cannot sell any of them?

cliff
NBO

They can sell them, but then they'd have to pay off any collateralized loans. In a broader picture, look for route sales. The most valuable routes are UAUA's Pacific routes.

 

[Andy]

So you won't be coming back Andy, correct? Certainly you wouldn't want to be associated with such a group?

Not much reason for me to return. I'm making much better coin than I would pushing tin. I'll likely come back just long enough to get requaled (I'm eyeing buying an L-39 Albatros down the road and would like to get recurrent), burn my sick leave, and establish a retirement date. I'll be retirement eligible (50) in 2010, but my number's so low that I wouldn't expect to get close to recall until 2014 at the very earliest. ... that's assuming that UAUA survives.

Ualdriver, you guys can keep blaming every bad thing that happens on management. Reality is that the entire industry's in a tailspin. Deal with it and quit your griping about management. Yeah, they're partially at fault, but the pilots have more blame than management as far as creating a lousy work environment.

 

[jmreii]

I agree with your analysis there.

However, I think the point many on here are trying to make is that the government is going to come up with the loan guarantees that keep the credit card companies off United and other airlines' backs. The trouble with this sort of thinking is that we, as a nation, need to draw the line somewhere. Which airline do we prop up next? Unfortunately, this sort of thinking can only stop when there is either an administration change or the public becomes outraged (much like the health care debate in August)

United was and still can be a great airline. Good luck to everyone over there. The sooner you get those Tilton-types out of there the closer you will be to recovery. It's just too easy for these guys to blame the economy. At some point you have to start running an airline. The well is dry with regard to employee concessions. That dog don't hunt anymore.

I disagree with your statement about the government bailing out any airline without the citizens worrying about deficits which they should have been worrying about long before we drove this economy into the crap hole. I have looked into the mirror and now it is your turn.