UAL ALPA "Apology"

[Rez O. Lewshun]

http://www.airliners.net/search/pho...nt=1252903&truecount=false&engine_version=6.0


so did American....

 

[GogglesPisano]

That is exactly my point. It has always been cyclical and the downturn we currently see has no end in sight frankly. During the “good old days” when Delta 747 captains made $105/hour, we didn’t’ see the number of bankruptcies, pensions being lost, or rent-a-CEO’s. You certainly would not have seen pilots taking out adds in a newspaper calling out Jack Frye, CR Smith, or CE Woolman.

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Delta had 747's in the good old days?

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?...o_nr=7&prev_id=0946758&next_id=0700760&size=L

 

[Morning Wood]

That is exactly my point. It has always been cyclical and the downturn we currently see has no end in sight frankly. During the “good old days” when Delta 747 captains made $105/hour, we didn’t’ see the number of bankruptcies, pensions being lost, or rent-a-CEO’s. You certainly would not have seen pilots taking out adds in a newspaper calling out Jack Frye, CR Smith, or CE Woolman.

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Delta had 747's in the good old days?

I was responding to a previous post, but yes, Delta did operate 747's at one time.

 

[waveflyer]

I might be assuming incorrectly here, but I don’t see any military hardware on your profile. How did you build your time to move on to an Airbus?

Yeah- And I hope i have some credibility here bc I did fly for the regionals. It's not about getting into pissing contests- who's capable and who's not- it's about leverage. My issue w/ the "regionals" is that unless youre super connected- you can't fly turboprops for a few years and get on w/ a major. Now you stay for close to 10years or more and end up flying captain on a more fuel efficient DC-9 for a third to 1/2 of the $$. I don't mind the airplane- I just think they should be flown by the majors, which is a common sentiment, I know, on both sides of the major/regional fence.

(This is what i saw at the regionals at least- my story is alright- i'm doing fine. But it's not about just me. I hope if i can instill one thing- it's that if you think that just b/c you are doing well today that you aren't affected by what's going on in the industry- you're crazy. "That will never happen to me" is not an attitude we can afford to have anymore. Every time a pilot is struggling anywhere, that takes leverage from ALL of us. We'd do well to remember that, and should be intelligent enough to SEE what takes leverage from us and make changes to gain it back.

 

[waveflyer]

I'll get to you Rez- Good ideas btw- but until people see how much leverage we lose w/ our current seniority system- we'll never work to solve it.

MW- you said it exactly- Since deregulation companies fold and go through bankruptcies and start-ups come and go- YET- we hold onto a seniority system that virtually MARRIES us to our airline. Some get attached to companies- but no other employee groups have as much to lose as we do if our company fails. Our management KNOWS that we will accept almost anything to keep us from starting over as a new hire/worst schedules/poverty wage-and they use that against us.

During this cyclical downturn WHO was it that bailed out the airline industry?

You can say that all airline employees took cuts- BUT NONE CLOSE TO WHAT THE PILOTS TOOK> It's funny b/c pilots are generally conservative, free market capitalists who believe we should allow weak companies to go out of business- but yet we have a system that doesn't allow us to allow that We bailed the airlines to the tune of billions in this latest downturn.

We need to set up a system that allows us to change companies w/o taking such an ENORMOUS hit in lifestyle and money. Until we can allow those management groups that are bad at running airlines to fail- this downturn will not stop.

Until then, it's our fault what happens to us.

 

[waveflyer]

That and..........

WE'LL NEVER SEE LEVERAGE RETURN TO US UNTIL PRATER AND OUR UNION LEADERSHIP SHAVE THOSE DAMN MUSTACHES!!

THOSE MUSTACHES STEAL LEVERAGE FROM ALL OF US!! It's just bad PR. Big fat bellies don't help either.
(tongue- firmly in cheek__)

happy new year all, btw

 

[jke406]

How about 5 hours. 60,000 pilots giving 5 hours a week to improve the profession. That is 300,000 work hours... or the equivilent of 7500 people doing a 40 hour work week.

Imagine how the profession could improve if we had 7500 more people working to make the profession better.

And that is the trick... it is not supposed to be a few doing all the work, but All doing some of the work.

My man, you sound like a Soviet dictator. I acknowledge your tenacity, but your message is diluted by your absoutely unrealistic and naive vision. It's not even remotely plausible.

To even think that any MEC or LEC is efficient enough to utilize every member for 5 hours a week...what a complete mess that would be.

Tell you what, go to any business and ask why they don't have 8 people splitting a 40-hour work week (except for Wal-mart). It's called "continuity." And common sense.

You would do much better setting realistic goals and reflecting them in your posts. Your Utopian gibberish is a bunch of white noise in the real world. Unless, of course, you are a former politburo member.

 

[414Flyer]

Delta also had C-130 (L-100)s in the cargo ops.

 

[hmmm]

After reading all the above thread, and previous threads, and you were in the bottom of the top third of a decently secure regional within a hour commute from home via jumpseat - and you were offered a class date at UAL - would you go? age 40

Been in aviation forever but as yet never been able to understand the directions of management.

Wish I did.

All I do know is how to fly the plane, do my job as expected and try to collect a paycheck then run for the jumpseat home.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

My man, you sound like a Soviet dictator. I acknowledge your tenacity, but your message is diluted by your absoutely unrealistic and naive vision. It's not even remotely plausible.

Free will?

To even think that any MEC or LEC is efficient enough to utilize every member for 5 hours a week...what a complete mess that would be.

Then its a bad idea and it dies with your wisdom

Tell you what, go to any business and ask why they don't have 8 people splitting a 40-hour work week (except for Wal-mart). It's called "continuity." And common sense.

except for walmart.... nice....

You would do much better setting realistic goals and reflecting them in your posts. Your Utopian gibberish is a bunch of white noise in the real world. Unless, of course, you are a former politburo member.

How about you tell us what are realistic goals... or is the status quo acceptable...

 

[Freight Dog]

After reading all the above thread, and previous threads, and you were in the bottom of the top third of a decently secure regional within a hour commute from home via jumpseat - and you were offered a class date at UAL - would you go? age 40

Depends on you. Can you afford that big of a hit in pay for a year? If you can, I'd say go for it, you'd have 25 years left. If you can't - there's your answer. Bear in mind also that you'll be the first to go should there be a merger or another downturn. If you are OK with that... go to UAL.

Been in aviation forever but as yet never been able to understand the directions of management.

Wish I did.

You and every other U.S. airline pilot. The truth is, we're pawns, and our leaders are carpetbagging corporate raiders out to make a quick buck off of stock options, not the visionaries who built their airlines from nothing.

All I do know is how to fly the plane, do my job as expected and try to collect a paycheck then run for the jumpseat home.

That's about all you can do, and also support your union - go to the meetings, vote and voice your opinion.