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If you can't afford them, you don't have a right to have them.

While I can understand your sentiment, saying someone doesn't have a right to have a kid is something that really isn't "fair." In the same way it isn't "fair" if someone tells you that you shouldn't work if you have a baby. Personally, I think people should be able to do whatever they want. I just don't like it when a baby is born simply so a welfare check can be higher.

Also, you say there is a 50% my marriage will end in divorce....well then, why bother? Anyone that thinks two people that love eachother will be different as parents if they have an overpriced Saturday night ceremony and sign a piece of paper as opposed to not doing so has a screw loose.

I certainly hope I didn't say *your* marriage will end up in divorce, I only said that marriages [in our nation] have a divorce rate of 50%. I don't think you'll be different as a parent if you marry or not. You were talking about getting married in 2005, but have pushed that off since being hired at UPS. I only wish that you do what you truly love and want to do. If, in your heart, you truly want to get married, go for it, and don't let "the Brown" stop you.
After all, it's "What can Brown do for you?"
Well, Brown will let you get married, if you want to. :)


Uh, dude, I make 3 times what my fiancee does

Your fiancEE??? I had no idea you had a lesbian partner and that you were lesbian!
Mega, I love you. :blush:
 
1. While I can understand your sentiment, saying someone doesn't have a right to have a kid is something that really isn't "fair." In the same way it isn't "fair" if someone tells you that you shouldn't work if you have a baby. Personally, I think people should be able to do whatever they want.

2. You were talking about getting married in 2005, but have pushed that off since being hired at UPS. I only wish that you do what you truly love and want to do. If, in your heart, you truly want to get married, go for it, and don't let "the Brown" stop you.
After all, it's "What can Brown do for you?"
Well, Brown will let you get married, if you want to. :)

3. Your fiancEE??? I had no idea you had a lesbian partner and that you were lesbian!
Mega, I love you. :blush:


1. Well, there's a big difference there.....someone telling me I shouldn't work is not the same person paying my bills. If you can't afford kids and the taxpayers are footing the bill, DAMN STRAIGHT we have a say in it. I don't care how many kids someone has if they are paying for it. Do you also think it's not "fair" to kill a murderer with lethal injection? I think it's society being too nice actually.

2. Dude!!!!!!!!! For the last time people, I want to get married....I am not in a hurry though....and, uh, actually......now think about this one REALLLLY REALLY HARD.......Big Brown actually is preventing me from getting married. (Look up who they will and will not hire and you might figure it out).

3. Huh????
 
Rez...it's clear that you truly care about your kids and everyone else's and I think that's great.


Glad you can relate....

However, do you really think EVERY kid on meds has a 2 working parent household? Do you think there are no kids that are messed up that had mommy at home all the time? GMAFB!

I think the meds issue is a combination of many things: two parents working and thus providing less attention and time to their kids, a change in the school cirrculum which is now more geared towards girls. Recess, running, jumping, playing is not so common. Boys can't sit still as easily as girls. In addition, when girls were actually going quite well the political push was that girls were falling behind. So what's happend is boys actually got the short straw.

Finally, avialability, convienence and the drug companies pushing the drugs.... we've got non medical licensed school staff telling parents to medicate! WTFO!!

. I just don't like it when a baby is born simply so a welfare check can be higher.[/qoute]

This is done world wide out of survival. In third world countries, parents have kids, hoping for a boy (to put the child to work as an asset) and only to destroy the baby girl who will be liability. Very sickening but the reality of life in these parts of the world.

If we are going to chide the welfare mother in the USA for "gaming" the system because she lives in the richest country and has the ability to do better then we should also chide the hypermaterialism parents who medicate their kids because they don't "behave" properly, when all they need is time with Mom and Dad. AND Mom and Dad need to be more concerned with the school ciriculum instead of viewing school as daycare...



Your fiancEE??? I had no idea you had a lesbian partner and that you were lesbian!
Mega, I love you. :blush:

Yet another piece to the complexity puzzle that is Mega...:beer:
 
Wow. This is a sensative subject, but here is my 2 cents:

I am a mother of two young children and a pilot at a regional. My husband flies for the military. Having a little seniority helps keep things together on the homefront, but we BOTH understood BEFORE we had kids that we wanted to continue in our careers and be the best parents we could. Not easy, but we make it work because we are HAPPY with the choice we made and love our children.

1. It is not just MOM who should be a parent. IT'S MOM AND DAD. PERIOD. Some people on here seem to think it's OK for Daddy to be home only a few days a month but Mommy is obligated to stay at home once children arrive. NOT SO.

We do not and will never use our inlaws or other family as childcare. We had the kids, we will take care of the kids. We each work our schedules around their needs, where there's a will there's a way!

2. IT CAN BE DONE. It is very hard, but you just do it. You have to give 110% at home and at work. Makes for an exhausting life, but in a great way.


Why is it seemingly so socially acceptable for Dad to have a career and not mom? Is dad less of a parent because he is working? I don't read anything on here addressing that issue....

If parents wat to leave a career or put it on hold to be with their child 24/7 then that's fine. No one should say they can or can't. People should do whatever it is that feels right for their family, no doubt. But don't be an opinionized A-h0le and criticize a parent who wants to work and can balance it.


-FW
 
here's my two cents. with or without a flying spouse . mine works on the ground. has her hands full. i'll tell what saves a marriage. good hard sex when you come back from a trip. sat night i dove in head first. then sun morning vbefore church another romp on the corner of the bed. i wore my track shoes for extra thrust and control. she loved it , i loved it. it was a great day.

forget the psychobabble, you have to get ti on, or the flame will go out.
 
1. Well, there's a big difference there.....someone telling me I shouldn't work is not the same person paying my bills. If you can't afford kids and the taxpayers are footing the bill, DAMN STRAIGHT we have a say in it. I don't care how many kids someone has if they are paying for it. Do you also think it's not "fair" to kill a murderer with lethal injection? I think it's society being too nice actually.

Well, welfare is what sets this country apart from others, in that welfare takes care (or attempts to take care) of those people who are "unfortunate" in society. In other countries, like Rez pointed out, they are virtually SOL. There, people have kids simply to put them to work and survive as a family.

2. Dude!!!!!!!!! For the last time people, I want to get married....I am not in a hurry though....and, uh, actually......now think about this one REALLLLY REALLY HARD.......Big Brown actually is preventing me from getting married. (Look up who they will and will not hire and you might figure it out).

I must admit I do not know what's goin on in the above statement. Big brown preventing you from getting married, and look up who they will/won't hire? My understanding was you were already at the big Brown, and off probation. Any way, I'm so lost, I'll leave this one alone. Good luck either way, I'm sure you'll be fine. :)

3. Huh????

You had said "my fiancee." Your fiance would be your man, and your fiancee would be your woman. Right? Isn't that what it is, fiance for guy and fiancee for girl? So I was only pokin' fun at that slip you made (fiancee).:p
 
I think the meds issue is a combination of many things: two parents working and thus providing less

So, in other words, you are saying that no kids with mom at home are on meds? :confused:

I think doctors (or whoever) are waaay to quick to put kids on meds.
 
1. Well, welfare is what sets this country apart from others, in that welfare takes care (or attempts to take care) of those people who are "unfortunate" in society. In other countries, like Rez pointed out, they are virtually SOL. There, people have kids simply to put them to work and survive as a family.

2. I must admit I do not know what's goin on in the above statement. Big brown preventing you from getting married, and look up who they will/won't hire? My understanding was you were already at the big Brown, and off probation. Any way, I'm so lost, I'll leave this one alone. Good luck either way, I'm sure you'll be fine. :)

3. You had said "my fiancee." Your fiance would be your man, and your fiancee would be your woman. Right? Isn't that what it is, fiance for guy and fiancee for girl? So I was only pokin' fun at that slip you made (fiancee).:p

Uh, it's called LAZY AS F***, not "unfortunate". There is so much opportunity in this country and these people CHOOSE not to pursue it, leaving us to pay their way. If we are paying their way, they ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO JUST HAVE AS MANY KIDS AS THEY WANT. Let's not debate this one as you WILL NEVER CHANGE MY MIND about these people. I worked in an inner city ER for 8 years and saw the "unfortunate" with their hair and nails done, $100 Nike shoes on their 2 year old's feet, Louis Vuitton bags, $300 cell phones.....this country ENABLES laziness and punishes productive members of society. AAAARGHHH!
Let's not argue about this one because it's just one of those things that will always get on my nerves. My mom came here when she was 28 years old with a 5 year old from another country and NEVER went on welfare and owns her house outright. She went and took a few college courses for a certificate and makes about $20/hr (not too bad for a single mother immigrant that got no helping hand from the government). People that were born here should be ashamed of themselves getting an endless handout every month.........F***!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can just go on and on about this......

2. Yes, you are lost....it's a good thing you're not a Private Investigator. ;)

3. Oh, I don't know. I always assumed it was fianceE for either one. I'll look into that. :D
 
You're right. He's my fiance. I've been writing fiancee so long that fiance just doesn't look right.:0
 
flyunited,
since when does posting on flight info with a beer in my hand make me a classy guy?
she is proud because i treat her right...that includes loving her and bangin her. don't try and tell me that you make love every single time. ever heard of makup sex? morning sex? drunk sex? just got home from my trip sex at midnight?

get real....the point is if your physiological needs are getting met, it doesn't matter if you have two kids and a spouse flies. If you're in balance mentally, physically, spiritually and physiologically, then two kids has nothing to do with anything, nor does whether or not two spouses fly. substitute occupation in the blank space and consider the premise
 
Wow.... talk about trying to reason with a barking dog... mega...dare I even try to offer some perspective? Dare I say trying to understanding does not mean condoning....?? Were to begin! I feel like Hellen Kellers teacher.... so much work to do, but the sooner we start the sooner we can get you going!!
 
flyunited,
since when does posting on flight info with a beer in my hand make me a classy guy?
she is proud because i treat her right...that includes loving her and bangin her. don't try and tell me that you make love every single time. ever heard of makup sex? morning sex? drunk sex? just got home from my trip sex at midnight?

get real....the point is if your physiological needs are getting met, it doesn't matter if you have two kids and a spouse flies. If you're in balance mentally, physically, spiritually and physiologically, then two kids has nothing to do with anything, nor does whether or not two spouses fly. substitute occupation in the blank space and consider the premise

Dude... you came across as a MAN that treats women (albeit your woman) as sex objects... which is a threat to the woman who defines herself professionally. It doesn't matter if your woman loves the sex, women according to some women are not sex objects...

Keep in mind though... if two working airline parents are playing tag team schedules.. then the sex isn't as good as it can be.... then again maybe flyual is just fustrated cause her sex life has suffered for the professional identity......... but I think I am wrong....
:beer:
 
rez,
maybe came across that way.. yep i reread it. but, i was trying to make a laser point. grown men and women need to be made love too or insert adjective to describe the passion one may feel, or the emotional release that comes from... coming home from a long trip and commute,tired and sleepy, to arrive at my bed and see my beloved. it stokes the coals of passion. in marriage as I have seen in 16 years now, it ain't always fabulous, but sometimes it is just great. if two people are disconnected due to airline jobs, or other demands , many agree that you have to make time for it, it has to be good to be satisfying and soothing; and at the end of the day you gotta sense each others high and lows. sometimes i don't feel like it, neither does she. we have two kids and they're a joy.
 
rez,
maybe came across that way.. yep i reread it. but, i was trying to make a laser point. grown men and women need to be made love too or insert adjective to describe the passion one may feel, or the emotional release that comes from... coming home from a long trip and commute,tired and sleepy, to arrive at my bed and see my beloved. it stokes the coals of passion. in marriage as I have seen in 16 years now, it ain't always fabulous, but sometimes it is just great. if two people are disconnected due to airline jobs, or other demands , many agree that you have to make time for it, it has to be good to be satisfying and soothing; and at the end of the day you gotta sense each others high and lows. sometimes i don't feel like it, neither does she. we have two kids and they're a joy.

Agreed.... I can only imagine with two flying careers and the schedules that go with it.... that trying to get in good booty is tough... like you said, you can pencil in a jam session between unpacking your bag and she packing her bag... but at times scheduled sex can be more like a chore...

Kinda reminds me of the "screw you sex" joke.... as two pilot couples do the changing of the guard they pass each other in the hall/stairs/grarage/driveway and say 'screw you!"

But the major commonality in this thread is choice. These are the choices we have made....
 
Wow.... talk about trying to reason with a barking dog... mega...dare I even try to offer some perspective? Dare I say trying to understanding does not mean condoning....?? Were to begin! I feel like Hellen Kellers teacher.... so much work to do, but the sooner we start the sooner we can get you going!!

"Reason"????????????

If you are talking about the losers on welfare, then PUUUUUHLEAASSSSE.......don't even try unless you have spent even one iota of a second dealing with these people. I speak from experience, do you? They are not victims, they are manipulative and unmotivated (let me just clarify....most of them....I realize there are some that truly are trying and down and out but most take advantage of the system).

Awwww, you feel like Helen Keller's teacher? Dude, if you are trying to convince yourself that I am "Helen Keller" and you are some kind of teacher that will "enlighten" me, please, put the crack pipe down and go back to spending some time with your kids after the high wears off, K????
 
Hey! Since I obviously like to get annoyed by the things you say most of the time and I am glutton for punishment, what the hey?

Let's read some of that "perspective" Rez. Oh, and your experience with the topic would be great too.....
 
Mega- Why not start a new thread...otherwise this one will get hi-jacked and reach "mega" proportions...

This one's already been hijacked.

Nah, not starting a new thread about lazy people. Let's just drop this one because it's a REALLLY touchy thing with me. I finally left the hospital and I haven't had to deal with those people and my life has been 1000 times better so better not to talk about it.

:D
 
This one's already been hijacked.

Nah, not starting a new thread about lazy people. Let's just drop this one because it's a REALLLY touchy thing with me. I finally left the hospital and I haven't had to deal with those people and my life has been 1000 times better so better not to talk about it.

:D

Ok.... lets get back on topic....

Women make better caregivers to infants than men and a spouse should stay at home with the kids....
 
Rez and "Gym Shoe Bonker"- My love life has been fine for years (thanks for worrying about it). As has been stated, I never HAD to work but I really did HAVE to work for the 2 or 3 DAYS a month away, otherwise I may have had to drug the little buggers. I would have worked more had I been married to the Bonker. (you come off as disgusting......sex before church?!? Lovely! Do yo ever wonder if she's praying for BIGGER things?)
 
I would have worked more had I been married to the Bonker.

Yes..but nonetheless, you would have choosen to marry The Bonker and choosen to work more... all courses of action that you exclusively control... ;)


(you come off as disgusting......sex before church?!? Lovely!

What is wrong with a married (or in mega's case "happily together") having sex before church? I mean sunday is a rest day. If one only had sex on a work day then sex would be work-ish...

Do yo ever wonder if she's praying for BIGGER things?)

Nice.... :beer:
 
Mega said:
2. Yes, you are lost....it's a good thing you're not a Private Investigator. ;)

No, I'm only lost because of the statement "Big Brown actually is preventing me from getting married. (Look up who they will and will not hire and you might figure it out)." My assumption is that 'Big Brown' refers to UPS. If that's the case, then your statement is that UPS is preventing you from getting married. Then I was further confused with "look up who they will / won't hire." I thought you were already at UPS since 2005. This has nothing to do with me being or making a good PI. I could be a good PI, I just need to gather up first all the known facts.
3. Oh, I don't know. I always assumed it was fianceE for either one. I'll look into that. :D

Fiancee is the girl. So when you said your fiancee, you meant your lesbian lover. :D
 
No, I'm only lost because of the statement "Big Brown actually is preventing me from getting married. (Look up who they will and will not hire and you might figure it out)." My assumption is that 'Big Brown' refers to UPS. If that's the case, then your statement is that UPS is preventing you from getting married. Then I was further confused with "look up who they will / won't hire." I thought you were already at UPS since 2005. This has nothing to do with me being or making a good PI. I could be a good PI, I just need to gather up first all the known facts.

Maybe the other sleuths on here can help you out. :D
 
flyunited,

"gym shoe bonker" LOL
hey what is wrong with sex before church. we're made in the image of GOD. the union of a man and woman is a symbol of the relationship bewteen Christ and His bride, the church. WHAT is discgusting about a quickie before church where we go to give "thanks" for just a few of the bennies that His wonderful creation has put there, namely, a woman:

God's gfit to man. there..there, i'm not that disgusting
 
The feminist battle cry "You can have it all" was much better than "You can be a homemaker or a Professional"

Just because women want to have it all doesn't mean men have to vacuum.

From the NYT....



September 26, 2007
Economic Scene
He’s Happier, She’s Less So

By DAVID LEONHARDT
Last year, a team of researchers added a novel twist to something known as a time-use survey. Instead of simply asking people what they had done over the course of their day, as pollsters have been doing since the 1960s, the researchers also asked how people felt during each activity. Were they happy? Interested? Tired? Stressed?
Not surprisingly, men and women often gave similar answers about what they liked to do (hanging out with friends) and didn’t like (paying bills). But there were also a number of activities that produced very different reactions from the two sexes — and one of them really stands out: Men apparently enjoy being with their parents, while women find time with their mom and dad to be slightly less pleasant than doing laundry.
Alan Krueger, a Princeton economist working with four psychologists on the time-use research team, figures that there is a simple explanation for the difference. For a woman, time with her parents often resembles work, whether it’s helping them pay bills or plan a family gathering. “For men, it tends to be sitting on the sofa and watching football with their dad,” said Mr. Krueger, who, when not crunching data, enjoys watching the New York Giants with his father.
This intriguing — if unsettling — finding is part of a larger story: there appears to be a growing happiness gap between men and women.
Two new research papers, using very different methods, have both come to this conclusion. Betsey Stevenson and Justin Wolfers, economists at the University of Pennsylvania (and a couple), have looked at the traditional happiness data, in which people are simply asked how satisfied they are with their overall lives. In the early 1970s, women reported being slightly happier than men. Today, the two have switched places.
Mr. Krueger, analyzing time-use studies over the last four decades, has found an even starker pattern. Since the 1960s, men have gradually cut back on activities they find unpleasant. They now work less and relax more.
Over the same span, women have replaced housework with paid work — and, as a result, are spending almost as much time doing things they don’t enjoy as in the past. Forty years ago, a typical woman spent about 23 hours a week in an activity considered unpleasant, or 40 more minutes than a typical man. Today, with men working less, the gap is 90 minutes.
These trends are reminiscent of the idea of “the second shift,” the name of a 1989 book by the sociologist Arlie Hochschild, arguing that modern women effectively had to hold down two jobs. The first shift was at the office, and the second at home.
But researchers who have looked at time-use data say the second-shift theory misses an important detail. Women are not actually working more than they were 30 or 40 years ago. They are instead doing different kinds of work. They’re spending more time on paid work and less on cleaning and cooking.
What has changed — and what seems to be the most likely explanation for the happiness trends — is that women now have a much longer to-do list than they once did (including helping their aging parents). They can’t possibly get it all done, and many end up feeling as if they are somehow falling short.
Mr. Krueger’s data, for instance, shows that the average time devoted to dusting has fallen significantly in recent decades. There haven’t been any dust-related technological breakthroughs, so houses are probably just dirtier than they used to be. I imagine that the new American dustiness affects women’s happiness more than men’s.
Ms. Stevenson was recently having drinks with a business school graduate who came up with a nice way of summarizing the problem. Her mother’s goals in life, the student said, were to have a beautiful garden, a well-kept house and well-adjusted children who did well in school. “I sort of want all those things, too,” the student said, as Ms. Stevenson recalled, “but I also want to have a great career and have an impact on the broader world.”
It’s telling that there is also a happiness gap between boys and girls in high school. As life has generally gotten better over the last generation — less crime, longer-living grandparents and much cooler gadgets — male high school seniors have gotten happier. About 25 percent say they are very satisfied with their lives, up from 16 percent in 1976. Roughly 22 percent of senior girls now give that answer, unchanged from the 1970s.
When Ms. Stevenson and I were talking last week about possible explanations, she mentioned her “hottie theory.” It’s based on an April article in this newspaper by Sara Rimer, about a group of incredibly impressive teenage girls in Newton, Mass. The girls were getting better grades than the boys, playing varsity sports, helping to run the student government and doing community service. Yet one girl who had gotten a perfect 2,400 on her college entrance exams noted that she and her friends still felt pressure to be “effortlessly hot.”
As Ms. Stevenson, who’s 36, said: “When I was in high school, it was clear being a hottie was the most important thing, and it’s not that it’s any less important today. It’s that other things have become more important. And, frankly, people spent a lot of time trying to be a hottie when I was in high school. So I don’t know where they find the time today.”
The two new papers — Mr. Krueger’s will be published in the Brookings Papers on Economic Activity and the Stevenson-Wolfers one is still in draft form — are part of a burst of happiness research in recent years. There is no question that the research has its limitations. Happiness, of course, is highly subjective.
A big reason that women reported being happier three decades ago — despite far more discrimination — is probably that they had narrower ambitions, Ms. Stevenson says. Many compared themselves only to other women, rather than to men as well. This doesn’t mean they were better off back then.
But it does show just how incomplete the gender revolution has been. Although women have flooded into the work force, American society hasn’t fully come to grips with the change. The United States still doesn’t have universal preschool, and, in contrast to other industrialized countries, there is no guaranteed paid leave for new parents.
Government policy isn’t the only problem, either. Inside of families, men still haven’t figured out how to shoulder their fair share of the household burden. Instead, we’re spending more time on the phone and in front of the television.
This weekend, I think I may volunteer to do a little dusting.
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Isn't the NY Times a left wing liberal paper? If so, doesn't mean a thing to me.....liberals are in la la land :rolleyes:

Funny thing is is that I just saw this stuff on the news this morning and the first thing I thought of was you. Low and behold, here you are......
 
Is calling yourself a FA really that important?

This thread is totally crazy but I do have two cents to add...

first of all - What happened to SWA?

I have a toddler and I dont fly full time anymore, and I just pick up a few rare small trips for old friends. Yes, I had to leave my job b/c of the baby.

G-d forbid something happen at home and I cant get back there - especially with some of the places you go to in corporate. And 9-11.

also once the baby is here - there is no one out there who will look after his welfare more than YOU.

what if the baby is sick - I didnt realize how heavy those situations really were until I had to deal with it on my own. You literally cant put them down! But in corporate there isnt a backup system - who ya gonna call at 5am?

As for Ego-there is a certain unsavory element to some of the fellow flight attendants on the circuit. Its called desparation. There was one who was so desparate & despicable for work that it made me hate my chosen occupation all the more. She taught me never to become so desparate for flying work!
then I had a baby and I realized that there isnt anything worth more in the world than having a family. Why did I wait so long in the first place?
To call myself one of them? Such a waste of time.

I say its not worth it to get a nanny in order to keep a flying job - especially one that doesnt pay well. Unless you really think its important to call yourself a flight attendant. Its not like you have spent years and years building up time and putting off realtionships to go to where the work is. If you were a pilot it would be different.

Get your bene's thru your hubby.
 

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