TSA SAT Flying given to G-Jets

[redbook]

uej,

Everyone at TSA had all the information to make their decision. It was discussed ad nauseum. The pilot group did not want to be forced to accept an onerous 4year contract extension(on top of the previous 2 year extension) to secure the flying. We voted. 75% said no. Don't lay this on the MEC. That makes the TSA pilot group sound very irresponsible and unwilling to accept responsibility for its decisions.

You voted yes. I voted no. You have regrets, I don't.

Had we voted to accept that contract, well, then we didn't defeat the alter ego, we became the alter ego. A six year extension on a sh!!ty contract? NO!!

 

[millhouse21]

I have personally met two Go Jet pilots, one was a former Air Force veteran senior aviatior who had flown in the Gulf War and the other was a pilot furlouged from a major airline. Well if you or your 25 year old Captain feel good about denying a jumpseat to an Air Force combat veteran under some dubios labor dispute you cooked up, show some respect.

Wow, you really turned me around on the whole issue here. I guess if a veteran goes to Whore Jet that makes it automatically OK. Guess what, buddy, being a vet doesn't make you God. I am a veteran having served in the US Navy for 9 years and I also work for Trans States. The armed forces are filled with all different types of people; some are great guys, some are average, and some, as we see here, are total scumbags. It makes me ashamed that a veteran would defile all of us by chosing to work at that place. I would work at McDonalds first and it looks like I might get my chance thanks to you.

 

[flyboyzii]

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[Skippy]

---------------The company realized or deliberately created a proposal that they knew would fail- which is why they wanted the MEC chairman to sign the deal without a pilot vote and in return TSA would knock off 1 year.
Past history has demonstrated that pilots at TSA like to be given the right to vote and we weren't going to take that away.



YIPPY SKIPPY, your right. How can you say that you could express a personal opinion to your fellow pilots and at the same time try to be neutral at the road shows? ANY personal opinion by any of the MEC is policy and this is what the pilot group FOLLOWED.



---------------Simply not true. When it comes to those kind of items ( neutrality Vs opinion) I remain neutral, not because im a professional but because i can distinguish, recognize and differentiate between the 2. I express personal opinons to fellow pilots all the time. It's your opinion and you are entitled to it, unfortunately I voted with the majority and you, the minority-- I have no ill will to those who voted no , or any praise jesus' to those who voted yes.

I was called all sorts of names when I expressed my opinion of what could happen if we voted NO. Actually, what I expressed to the pilot group is actually happening now. Furloughs at TSA and growth at g0jet. After all of this happened what does our great MEC chairman say? Not much except mumbling something about not having a crystal ball!!!

--------------------Actually, we covered this very same concern, unfortunately it is becoming a reality. I cant even disagree with you here. It's no mystery that TSA was going to shrink-- the atr's were going away, the 41 leases were coming up and of course not going to be renewed. Sorts of names, like what?


Come on now!! This is the leadership that led to this. He feels this is HIM againts the company, doesn't seem to realize that 600 other pilots are being hurt by his arrogance. It's time for him to go and we all know it. Before anyone else gets furloughed he should resign.

------------------I know you arent talking about our MEC chairman? The same could be said about numerous, individual members of TSAH MGMT. You should see some of the juvenile Emails they send back and forth. Ever ask yourself why they wrongfully terminate so many pillots? Why the fail to follow the contract? Why they lose so many grievances? Why they do the things they do in general? MGMT doesnt like to be told what to do, they would rather settle, or come to an agreement on their terms. They Love to be a thorn in the union's side, just as we love to be a thorn in theirs. You see it's a sadistic game, equivalent to "did so , did not." Let's not forget that when they want to achieve things they can, unfortunately they havent wanted much even after we gave them a nice olive branch of the Direct deposit LOA-- for FREE!!!!! I mean seriously. If the pilots did such wrongful things then why does a "NEUTRAL" arbitrator in an unfriendly labor environment ALWAYS favor ALPA? Maybe you need to reread the last statement for effect. Maybe you should check your stats-- Dont forget that MEC position comes up soon, better start campaigning.



I'll take that contract any day now over the 70 or so pilots that have either been furloughed or had their pay cut. Rumors are more furloughs coming in August.

-----------------I'm sorry you feel that way. Unforunately you have become a monday morning quarterback because you already know what has happened . And as for the furloughees or the downgraded indivuduals, i feel for them but im sure they dont blame the union or the falling thru of the g0jet LOA. They couldve just as easily been furloughed from TSA and not have a position at G0jet? YET NOONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THIS. WHY IS THAT? YOU SEE, YOU AND ANYONE ELSE WHO THINKS THIS WAY ARE DISILLUSIONED. THE g0jet loa didnt mean growth at TSA, it didnt mean advancement for pilots at TSA, it didnt mean job security for pilots at TSA. It was basically an introduction to a "B" scale at a regional. We can also spin it as TSA wanted to make too much of a profit on the 41's to make it worth their while. Apparently, mid single digit profits arent enough TSA's way of saying we're losing money by not making as much of a profit. Pity isnt it?

I still would say no to the proposal, knowing what i know today.



If you or any other person on the MEC didn't see that we needed to get that contract passed needs to resign as well. Explain to me why you all started bashing ALPA NATIONAL when they were begging us to vote in the contract?
You all turned on our union and pilot group and we are all suffering for it right now.


------------------We needed the contract, but not under those one sided, ambiguous, and loophole filled terms and cicumstances. Bashing ALPA NAtional? Surely you jest or you dont know the real story. WOW, you have some serious animosity toward the present MEC. I suggest channeling it in more positive and constructive ways.


The G0jet LOA was just a way for MGMT to get the pilots to pay for the growth that they made possible. They were biting the hand that fed them.
And so we'll soon be gone....

 

[rsspilot]

That is a complete utterly useless post! The regionals on any level, didnt take flying from United. HELLO we are a connection for them....meaning United Decided to outsorce the flying to the new companies...and just as easily when it deems feesable (if ever) it will put a larger plane back on it!
IND-ORD used to be 757. The routes dont matter. The problem is not underbidding, it still gets bac to TSA management, that has an operable airline and offered SH!t wages to operate a 70seater. Instead of re-negotiating when the pilot group stood their ground, they created alter ego. and now the ones who cared about their job in the first place are getting screwed

U should've voted yes....nobody cares that you didnt want a 2 dollar an hour raise to fly a seventy seater....next time....i bet you'll vote yes.

 

[rsspilot]

uej,

Everyone at TSA had all the information to make their decision. It was discussed ad nauseum. The pilot group did not want to be forced to accept an onerous 4year contract extension(on top of the previous 2 year extension) to secure the flying. We voted. 75% said no. Don't lay this on the MEC. That makes the TSA pilot group sound very irresponsible and unwilling to accept responsibility for its decisions.

You voted yes. I voted no. You have regrets, I don't.

Had we voted to accept that contract, well, then we didn't defeat the alter ego, we became the alter ego. A six year extension on a sh!!ty contract? NO!!

You say you have no regrets but your on here every single day crying about how GJ has done you wrong.....I think you have to be a very unhappy person to make a decision that you are proud of but be on here constantly throwing mud at others that have made different decisions.

I think u are very unhappy that you voted no and now realize what a mistake you made....I bet because of your decision that you lose all of the United flying. Im sure that its ok with you because you said no to United flying anyway.

You have no one to blame, not gojet...not Hulas....not tsa management..YOU said no......

Sincerely....the guy with the U SHOULDA VOTED YES sticker on his flight bag.

 

[TSA145]

U should've voted yes....nobody cares that you didnt want a 2 dollar an hour raise to fly a seventy seater....next time....i bet you'll vote yes.

Have you learned what schedule block means yet?

 

[Smarta$$]

You say you have no regrets but your on here every single day crying about how GJ has done you wrong.....I think you have to be a very unhappy person to make a decision that you are proud of but be on here constantly throwing mud at others that have made different decisions.

I think u are very unhappy that you voted no and now realize what a mistake you made....I bet because of your decision that you lose all of the United flying. Im sure that its ok with you because you said no to United flying anyway.

You have no one to blame, not gojet...not Hulas....not tsa management..YOU said no......

Sincerely....the guy with the U SHOULDA VOTED YES sticker on his flight bag.

Just saying "you should have voted yes" does not make it OK to take other pilots jobs. Those pilots took a stand and you low lifes swooped in to undermine there efforts. TSH "owns" so to speak the flying and the airplanes, and TSH is furloughing pilots and hiring pilots at the same time. You are in the wrong. People that have bills to pay and families to suport are on the street because of your actions. And all because they stood up for better pay and work rules. You fuked them!

 

[N311HK]

Alright kids:

Voting No or Yes has nothing to do with current situation. United needed 70 seat flying to be done. TSA started a company to provide that service. I don't like it either and I live with my decsion. We took a stand for what was right. Over done with. My life has continued fine with GJ around. But lets get this clear and straight. The flying given to GJ was "NEW" flying.

My problem is my brothers getting the "Can" while GJ is taking "OLD" flying done by TSA. This being done for a cheaper cost. So voting yes or no has no bearing on the current issue: TSA PILOTS BEING FURLOUGHED and FLYING BEING TAKEN AWAY FROM TSA PILOTS because it can be done cheaper by people that will sell themselves out for money and career.

I think my parents did a good job in raising me and teaching what is "right" and "wrong." This is clear cut "WRONG" So I don't continue to complain about GJ. They did what they had to do. I don't know them and I don't care. My problem is TSA management. BAckstabbing someone to get ahead is wrong. SO GIVE IT UP WITH THE SHOULD HAVE VOTED YES.

I care about my fellow pilots at TSA and every other airline pilot. We ALL have vision of what this job should be. And our choices to vote NO was in the best interest to preserve that vision, not sell it out.

So whoever you are, GJ or not, if you're selling yourself short in this field think about all the people that affected by your greed

I need a drink

 

[redbook]

You have no one to blame, not gojet...not Hulas....not tsa management..YOU said no......

Sincerely....the guy with the U SHOULDA VOTED YES sticker on his flight bag.

Dear spineless lowlife,

Its called taking a stand. Principle.

You have none, therefore you would not understand..

Agreeing to an ultimatum that would make tsa pilots similar to the low lifes that you are is not an acceptable choice. We said no. That does not change your actions in joining an alter ego whipsaw carrier.

If TS Holdings had asked for a thousand year contract extension should we have said yes? And if they had subsequently hired alter ego pilots, they would be the same as you now. Lowlifes.

 

[rsspilot]

They didn't need to vote for it, because it was already theirs.

From the TSA CBA, Section 1.B.1: (emphasis is mine)

All flying in and for the scheduled revenue passenger service of the Company and any wet lease or charter flying presently performed or to be performed in the future by the Company, shall be performed by active Pilots on the Trans States Airlines Pilots' Seniority List and shall be flown in accordance with all of the provisions of the Employment agreement and applicable amendments thereto between the Company and the Pilots as represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, International (AFL‑CIO).

If the contract said that you had to do the flying....than you would be....but it didnt....U voted no and now your not.......case closed...U SHOULDVE VOTED YES......be happy with your decision and be a man....quit crying.

 

[redbook]

If the contract said that you had to do the flying....than you would be....but it didnt....U voted no and now your not.......case closed...U SHOULDVE VOTED YES......be happy with your decision and be a man....quit crying.

When you can't get another job, when you are shunned by other pilots and you leave the industry, be happy with your decision. Be a man and quit crying.

 

[rsspilot]

Please educate your self before you speak!! The first four management pilots for gayjet tried illegally to vote in teamsters!! This was a ploy to keep alpa out. Ask yourself why?? Teamsters represent tsa's f/a's and they suck! tsah wants teamsters for gayjets! NOW THINK PEOPLE WHY DO TSAH MANAGERS WANT TEAMSTERS FOR THE UNION OF THE GAYJET PILOTS!!! BECAUSE THEY SUCK!!!!!! This will allow tsah to screw the gayjet pilots without consequence!! We at tsa stood our ground and will continue to stand together And I hope all alpa pilots will support this because I have supported them in the past. YES I MADE MY BED AND WILL CONTINUE TO SLEEP IN IT, BUT I KNOW THAT I HAVE DONE MY BEST FOR MY FELLOW PILOTS, AND I SLEEP WELL. I no longer respect teamsters and feel sorry for any one that is stuck being a teamster represented employee. The teamsters care for only themselves and could care less about other unions.

U are not sleeping well...your up on this site bashing gj pilots....U shoulda voted yes.....sleep well tonight,.

 

[redbook]

U are not sleeping well...your up on this site bashing gj pilots....U shoulda voted yes.....sleep well tonight,.

Fighting the good fight doesn't lead to lack of sleep.

You have the guilt of a lowlife who hates facing the mirror. Posting and trying to defend your actions will not sooth your guilty conscience.

Sleep well.

 

[rsspilot]

Dear spineless lowlife,

Its called taking a stand. Principle.

You have none, therefore you would not understand..

Agreeing to an ultimatum that would make tsa pilots similar to the low lifes that you are is not an acceptable choice. We said no. That does not change your actions in joining an alter ego whipsaw carrier.

If TS Holdings had asked for a thousand year contract extension should we have said yes? And if they had subsequently hired alter ego pilots, they would be the same as you now. Lowlifes.

I stand for the principle of working hard and earning a living. If people wanna take a job and make a buck an hour less...than what of it. U sent a great opportunity for job stability and expansion and pissed it away for a couple of bucks....its not about any principle because holding out for more money has nothing to do with principle. U didnt want the flying and you voted no....U couldnt have thought for a minute that someone with no job wouldnt want a good job even if it paid a dollar or two an hour less. U are just crying in your beer now because you see a great opportunity gone and have no one to blame but yourself.

I wish the best for all tsa guys and i wish they would move over to gj but if you dont want to than we dont want you. Everyone that is at gj wants to be here and is happy that they are.

Being a pilot is the best job that the world has to offer and not being one for a buck or two less than another company is rediculous.....Why worry about what everyone else is making....its none of my business.

 

[redbook]

I stand for the principle of working hard and earning a living. If people wanna take a job and make a buck an hour less...than what of it. U sent a great opportunity for job stability and expansion and pissed it away for a couple of bucks....its not about any principle because holding out for more money has nothing to do with principle. U didnt want the flying and you voted no....U couldnt have thought for a minute that someone with no job wouldnt want a good job even if it paid a dollar or two an hour less. U are just crying in your beer now because you see a great opportunity gone and have no one to blame but yourself.

I wish the best for all tsa guys and i wish they would move over to gj but if you dont want to than we dont want you. Everyone that is at gj wants to be here and is happy that they are.

Being a pilot is the best job that the world has to offer and not being one for a buck or two less than another company is rediculous.....Why worry about what everyone else is making....its none of my business.

When a group of individuals collectively work to build up an organization, they naturally expect to be part of that organization's growth. Not to be whipsawed by outside pilots (and a few of their own)who joined the alter ego aimed at destroying the future of TSA pilots. TSA pilots were not fighting over a dollar an hour.

An alter ego is created for dramatic, and destructive changes. If a dollar an hour was the difference, there would be no need for TS Holdings to search the industry far and wide for the worst pilots that would join an alter ego.

You chose to join an alter ego that has whipsawed the TSA pilot group. You can post all day on these boards justifying your actions but people are eveyday living with the consequences of your actions. You will not fool them into believing you had no role in aiding and abetting TS Holdings.

 

[rsspilot]

When a group of individuals collectively work to build up an organization, they naturally expect to be part of that organization's growth. Not to be whipsawed by outside pilots (and a few of their own)who joined the alter ego aimed at destroying the future of TSA pilots. TSA pilots were not fighting over a dollar an hour.

An alter ego is created for dramatic, and destructive changes. If a dollar an hour was the difference, there would be no need for TS Holdings to search the industry far and wide for the worst pilots that would join an alter ego.

You chose to join an alter ego that has whipsawed the TSA pilot group. You can post all day on these boards justifying your actions but people are eveyday living with the consequences of your actions. You will not fool them into believing you had no role in aiding and abetting TS Holdings.

I have a hard time believing your pilots were working toward growth and success of TSA. I have never met a more disgruntled, negative group of bitter people. From what I understand it is so miserable over there they had to do something to stir things up. You love the block or better and have pilots milking the flight to make an extra $. When you do things that are unhealthy for the company you are just bleeding the beast and when the beast is dead so are you. Take a look around this forum. Bitterness and more bitterness. Noone like to work with Mr. Bitterman.
Maybe this is why we will have to live the life of a Blowjet pilot. Going to work everyday, working with fine positve and quality pilots in new equipment making industry standard wages. My family eats, my career moves forward, I hope I can sleep tonight?

 

[Frank Bama]

RSSPilot, were you the one that turned your ID around as soon as you saw me walk off the jet bridge in SYR yesterday? The TSA pilot group voted no to keep the industry standard from falling any further than it all ready has. So go on pretending to be so a happy and proud of yourself at G0Jet you wannabe SCAB.

 

[oceandude]

sticks and stones will hurt me but, WORDS WILL NEVER HARM ME! bunch of babys!! like i said i will get my pic while you sit and cry!

 

[ricecake]

If the contract said that you had to do the flying....than you would be....but it didnt....U voted no and now your not.......case closed...U SHOULDVE VOTED YES......be happy with your decision and be a man....quit crying.

What is your problem dude, are you for real? I don't even know here to begin. Maybe you could start with an education? Its not easy to read your posts.

I am one of those lucky guys getting furloughed and I don't recall ever having anything to do with that vote, as is the case with all of us. I'm not here crying or complaining about it, and I'm better off for getting off that sinking boat. What's done is done, and the least you could do would be to show some compassion for us who are being shown the door.

Best of luck RSS, I know that you don't care to say the same to us, which is probably why you are working there. Good luck getting hired at your next airline job with that attitude! As long as you get yours right?

 

[rsspilot]

RSSPilot, were you the one that turned your ID around as soon as you saw me walk off the jet bridge in SYR yesterday? The TSA pilot group voted no to keep the industry standard from falling any further than it all ready has. So go on pretending to be so a happy and proud of yourself at G0Jet you wannabe SCAB.

Not at all...Im the fo that crossed you on the jetway in STL.....I looked you in the eye and said hello....U looked at my badge and looked at your feet as you walked by......kinda funny that a Captain like yourself was so insecure that you couldnt even look me in the eye.

 

[labbats]

RSSpilot isn't for real. Move along.

 

[redbook]

[quote=rsspilot]I have a hard time believing your pilots were working toward growth and success of TSA. [/quote]


Please continue to post. You keep proving how truly horrible a person has to be to go to work at g0jet.

These posts of yours could not be scripted, they are so offensive, so shallow that they could only come from an alter ego pilot.

 

[redbook]

sticks and stones will hurt me but, WORDS WILL NEVER HARM ME! bunch of babys!! like i said i will get my pic while you sit and cry!

"get my pic"

Too funny. A very well thought out post. I am sure you will be a leader in this industry before too long. I bet an airline will tap you to assist in their hiring you are so intelligent. Good work dude!

 

[f/o(forever)]

U are not sleeping well...your up on this site bashing gj pilots....U shoulda voted yes.....sleep well tonight,.

I am not on this site bashing gayjet pilots, I only want you to tell the truth!! If you can, or maybe you are brand new to 121, If thats the case you'll find out the truth!! You see I heard from a fed. that a lot of you gayjet guys are getting tired of the crap that gayjets is feeding you!! Just wait if you think it will get better over there IT WON'T!! YOU ARE A WHIPSAW ALTER EGO!! LOOK INTO HISTORY AND FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENS TO MOST OF THE OTHER WHIPSAW AIRLINES!! NOT A PRETTY PICTURE! GOOD LUCK, HAVE FUN, YOUR DAY IS COMING, I PROMISE!! Be smart and learn from the past, It's called maturity!!!!!!!!!!

 

[temcgrew]

uej,

Everyone at TSA had all the information to make their decision. It was discussed ad nauseum. The pilot group did not want to be forced to accept an onerous 4year contract extension(on top of the previous 2 year extension) to secure the flying. We voted. 75% said no. Don't lay this on the MEC. That makes the TSA pilot group sound very irresponsible and unwilling to accept responsibility for its decisions.

You voted yes. I voted no. You have regrets, I don't.

Had we voted to accept that contract, well, then we didn't defeat the alter ego, we became the alter ego. A six year extension on a sh!!ty contract? NO!!

What was discussed was how crappy the contract was and how DM wanted it "voted down". There was no real dialoge on the pros and cons, voting yes was never an option, this is sad. How many of us when faced with decisions weigh the good and bad? There was good and bad in the decision and right now we are seeing one side of the bad decision.

You have no regrets huh? you must not care that we are gona get nailed with more furloughs.

Becoming the ALTER-EGO airline is just a dumb statement. ALTER-EGO to whom? Ourselves? We would be wipsawing ourselves? UH, NO, they have hired 150 pilots over there, so far the number add up to more than were furloughed at TSA.

 

[Motive Flow]

Not at all...Im the fo that crossed you on the jetway in STL.....I looked you in the eye and said hello....U looked at my badge and looked at your feet as you walked by......kinda funny that a Captain like yourself was so insecure that you couldnt even look me in the eye.

Consider yourself lucky. He was probably counting to ten.

 

[temcgrew]

I know you arent talking about our MEC chairman? The same could be said about numerous, individual members of TSAH MGMT. You should see some of the juvenile Emails they send back and forth. Ever ask yourself why they wrongfully terminate so many pillots? Why the fail to follow the contract? Why they lose so many grievances? Why they do the things they do in general? MGMT doesnt like to be told what to do, they would rather settle, or come to an agreement on their terms. They Love to be a thorn in the union's side, just as we love to be a thorn in theirs. You see it's a sadistic game, equivalent to "did so , did not." Let's not forget that when they want to achieve things they can, unfortunately they havent wanted much even after we gave them a nice olive branch of the Direct deposit LOA-- for FREE!!!!! I mean seriously. If the pilots did such wrongful things then why does a "NEUTRAL" arbitrator in an unfriendly labor environment ALWAYS favor ALPA? Maybe you need to reread the last statement for effect. Maybe you should check your stats-- Dont forget that MEC position comes up soon, better start campaigning.

This environment is uncalled for, there was an MEC that actually worked with management. I guess I only talk to the pilots with my view point but I've head so many guys/gals say "DM doesn't represent how I feel, he represent how he feels".
The stories of his unproffesionalism goes beyond childish.

I'm sorry you feel that way. Unforunately you have become a monday morning quarterback because you already know what has happened . And as for the furloughees or the downgraded indivuduals, i feel for them but im sure they dont blame the union or the falling thru of the g0jet LOA. They couldve just as easily been furloughed from TSA and not have a position at G0jet? YET NOONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THIS. WHY IS THAT? YOU SEE, YOU AND ANYONE ELSE WHO THINKS THIS WAY ARE DISILLUSIONED.

I have been saying this before the vote, I hate to say I told ya so, but well, I told ya so and I didn't even have a crystal ball. I listened to ALPA NATIONAL and they urged us to vote YES just for the HOLDING COMPANY language. Talk about unity within our union, DM bashing national on the VARS. He's no puppet to national, he's looking out for us.

Whatever, he doesn't represent me and I'm sure if you took a poll, the majority of guys would love to have him gone.

As for furloughs, you can never be sure but those that were furloughed were hired after the no vote and how many pilots have been hired by g0jet now? It would have absorbed this if we were on pilot group.
If you can't see that then your blind.

Bashing ALPA NAtional? Surely you jest or you dont know the real story. WOW, you have some serious animosity toward the present MEC. I suggest channeling it in more positive and constructive ways.

Come on now, lets start the insults. Comments like this is why no one would even consider voting YES. Anytime anyone would voice an opinion we would be pummeled by insults and name calling. This caused the fence sitters who normally just follow the majority to keep quite so they wouldn't be bashed as well. You cannot deny the fact that ALPA NATIONAL urged us to vote yes, but DM is no puppet.

Typical TSA MEC style, try to insult and emberrass anyone with an opposing view. This is childish and is counterproductive.

 

[redbook]

What was discussed was how crappy the contract was and how DM wanted it "voted down". There was no real dialoge on the pros and cons, voting yes was never an option, this is sad. How many of us when faced with decisions weigh the good and bad? There was good and bad in the decision and right now we are seeing one side of the bad decision.

You have no regrets huh? you must not care that we are gona get nailed with more furloughs.

Becoming the ALTER-EGO airline is just a dumb statement. ALTER-EGO to whom? Ourselves? We would be wipsawing ourselves? UH, NO, they have hired 150 pilots over there, so far the number add up to more than were furloughed at TSA.

UEJ500,

I am going to try and respond to your post. You have been vocal on this board opposing the g0jet pilots and on that, we are on the same page.

However, please don't insinuate that I don't care about my fellow TSA pilots.
Additionally, if you can't understand that taking a SIX YEAR CONTRACT extension is a bad thing, and had we done so, we would have successfully been whipsawed, than you are the one making dumb statements.

What good are those 150 pilot jobs flying larger and larger jets for a substandard contract from years and years ago? When does this end? In the year 2020? 2030? We were faced with a choice. Here is an idea.

VOTE.

We did. You don't like the results. I respect that. Please don't bash the 75% of your pilot group that sees things differently than you. We are independent thinkers and not pawns of ANYONE. Not the company, not the union. We live our life out on the line, and we make our decisions.

You think you saw the "light". You voted yes. I think you were wrong then and you are still wrong. I believe that some things are worth fighting for.

 

[Shrek]

Well said Red.......