Trouble at Jetblue?

[Flying Freddie]

Look in the parking lot at JFK. Airbus gives each pilot a new Lexus!

 

[SDF2BUF2MCO]

How about that property in Florida, anyone interested there? It's real cheap, lots of water (and mud), a few million square feet of fill dirt and you might be able to put a trailer on it.
Chaz

Don't fall for it people there is no such thing as cheap property in central Florida. Maybe along the east coast though. Your gig is up chazman and in honor of Mickey's avatar, the cat is out of the bag.

 

[Skank]

What!!!!
Problems at Jetblue? I thought when you blew your self up for the"Big Guy with the Turbine" you went to JB, not 72 honeys. Say it ain't so, next thing you'll be saying is baseball players are juiced!!!

Help me out here,
I'm still trying to visualize someone with a turbine [engine?] on their head.

 

[1-tacan-rule]

Lets' Just assume.......

....for a moment that:

a) jB hasn't paid for jets
b) NYC helps pay for fuel
c) jB doesn't pay for maintenance until they stop buying Airbuses
d) NYC helps with building the new terminal
e) the gates at JFK are paid by Uncle Bloomberg.................

okay, assuming these things are true.............

why wouldn't you want to work for these guys. It seems to me that they have the best mgt (read: leadership) team in the history of the industry if they figured out how to pull all that off and everyone else is paying for their shiiit!!!!

Maybe there is some truth in the 'Mormonism' thing.......

 

[klhoard]

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How about that property in Florida, anyone interested there? It's real cheap, lots of water (and mud), a few million square feet of fill dirt and you might be able to put a trailer on it.

Chaz

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I wouldn't knock it, you are describing the Eglin AFB, Ft. Walton area about 50 years ago. . . .
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The only problem now is that the environmentalists won't let you drain the swamplands!!
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[iflynights]

Actually, there is some truth to your post. Upgrades, while very fast, are slowing down. It is running more than two years, which is still great, but longer than the one year point a couple of years ago. And they are slowing. I am not talking about the 190 which has absolutely terrible pay.


The way I see it, the fleet size has to nearly double to upgrade on the 320. That came pretty quick when you had 20 airplanes (JB is getting around 15-16 A320s a year). For a guy starting today (with 71 airplanes), you are looking around four years or more for an upgrade. The FO pay starts out OK, but after the first year, it is pretty low. Not too many people on property now will take the 190, IMO. So, with low profit sharing (assuming JB remains profitable, which I think they will), and stock options that are under water(except people that got on before the IPO), I don't see people happy with their compensation. I also don't see pilots getting raises in the near future. The key to JB's profitability is it's extremely low CASM. And wages are a big part of the equation.

I think JB offers some stability, due to their low cost. But you have to accept that you are a part of that low cost and pay will be low. Captain's pay was considered low (despite the raise in 01), but now isn't that bad since everyone else is heading south. Some people are making a fair amount of cash, but fly tons of overtime.

The 190 pay is terrible. It was considered a great thing when JB announced the 190 and, in particular, that it will be flown by seniority list pilots. But, as far as I am concerned, they could have outsourced the flying since the wages are regional rates anyway. It offers nothing for people on property at the time of the announcement (about 2 years ago).

In short, things are OK at Jetblue. I would bet there are tons of guys applying at Fedex and UPS. I don't want to work 80+ hard hours a month when I am 59. Also, I think many will go back to their carriers that furloughed them if they are lucky enough to get called back (Cal, Delta, NWA).

 

[wndshr]

granted there is no way to compare JB to SWA, but just think of the newhires at SWA today......what would they give to get on with SWA when they had only 70 a/c????

point is...nobody really knew how well SWA was going to get 5-10-20 years down the road. same with JB! anybody can chase the "current industry leader" but you run a huge risk of becoming very junior, furloughed or out of work! think of all the "current industry leaders" of yesterday that are no longer with us today, and those that were leaders 5 years ago that are no longer viable.

pick an airline based on sound economics, management/leadership and a business plan.....you will see that narrows the field of potential employers tremendously!

 

[maddoggiestyle]

F.y.i.

. I would bet there are tons of guys applying at Fedex and UPS. I don't want to work 80+ hard hours a month when I am 59.

In the last year and a half at FredEx, I have blocked 33hrs a month. Ahhh, there's nothing like sitting on reserve and getting paid to sit at home and reply to aviation message boards all day!

 

[Devil Dawg]

JB is golden. Neil Diamond anyone? Song Song Jet blue everybody loves you!! Sorry about that it is just a quirky little thing that I have always thought of Neil when I think about JB. Adding to my delima--Delta comes on the scene with Song!! Now which airline should spark my thoughts of Neil??

 

[iflynights]

Agreed. That is one of the many reasons that alot of folks have apps with Fred and UPS...

 

[Longhorn]

LOL....This post has been so entertaining.

 

[wndshr]

Agreed. That is one of the many reasons that alot of folks have apps with Fred and UPS...

that is correct!!! great biz plan...good leadership and economics....however, one never knows who is coming up with a company that can compete more effectively with the likes of FedEx and UPS...although they seem bullet proof now it is still anyone's guess what will happen 5-10-15 years down the road.

never count anyone out of the game....and nobody in any business is invulnerable. there will always be new companies that will try to do it better, cheaper and more efficiently. the LCC's in the airline industry have made billions off of the inefficiencies and dinosaur management mentality of some larger carriers. there will be a time in the next cycle where the LCC's of today will become the prey of the ULCC of tomorrow...(ULCC=Ultra Low Cost Carrier)

TIMING IS EVERYTHING! so dust off the crystal ball....grab the dice....and make the best decision for you, your family, your career expectations, and hope for lots of LUCK!

 

[pilotyip]

190 pay may be low compared to the 320, but it is better than almost any regional pay in the 90-100 seat range. And did not JB do something everyone has been yelling for, namely intergrate the senority list between the feeder and the mainline? Now the regional feeder pilot can bid by senority into the 320 and 330 when they get them. Sounds like a good deal to me.

 

[sleepy]

That is my brother and me at Graduation. Notice the utter joy on our faces on this very special day.

Truth be told, I have no idea.

I have seen this pic before. I believe that the two pictured are some of the first graduates of Clemson University.

 

[80drvr]

190 pay may be low compared to the 320, but it is better than almost any regional pay in the 90-100 seat range. And did not JB do something everyone has been yelling for, namely intergrate the senority list between the feeder and the mainline? Now the regional feeder pilot can bid by senority into the 320 and 330 when they get them. Sounds like a good deal to me.

So are you saying the E-190 is a regional "feeder" jet? Have you seen that thing?

 

[MickeySlapnutz]

190 pay may be low compared to the 320, but it is better than almost any regional pay in the 90-100 seat range. And did not JB do something everyone has been yelling for, namely intergrate the senority list between the feeder and the mainline? Now the regional feeder pilot can bid by senority into the 320 and 330 when they get them. Sounds like a good deal to me.

Who else fly's 90-100 seat airplanes? JB is getting A-330's.....news to me. What will the pay scale be on the 330? By the way...are any other employee groups at JB geting paid less when they crew/support the 190's? I'll bet not.......F/A's,Maint techs, dispatchers etc etc....I'll bet they all get paid the same no matter what airplane they work on or support.

Anyhow.....I have given you gents ample opportunity to save this Kitty and no one has stepped up to the plate. Kiss his fluffy a$$ goodbye.

 

[pilotyip]

Is not there a 90 seat RJ coming at Comair, how much will a Capt make on that at 2nd year pay. Is Comair a feeder?, regional?

 

[MickeySlapnutz]

See what you have made me do!!!!!!

 

[potrack]

Funny how everyone says that airbus pays for everything?

One thing the don't pay for is cleaning.....they got FAA ATPs to do that...funny how they worked that into the contract?....without even putting it in the contract.

 

[Captain Overs]

If you want to know where JetBlue will be in a few years just look at the resume of their CEO. I know he was at Southwest for awhile. The problem is he hasn't stayed in one place too long. As most of you know that means he'd be replaced. I heard Dave Seigel is looking for work. He has airline experience.