Trans States downgrades and furloughs - Again...

[ToiletDuck]

Hey motc, I was a mesa pilot and chose to make a stand by walking out because I know what a bottom feeder is and you can't fix it by union bullsit the only way is to kill it by voting with your feet. I know I've taken a stand, don't be dick.

Voting with your feet would have been to never walk into Mesa in the first place. A union won't work for you because you're an idiot who thinks you can't kill something by voting it. What are you going to do keep walking form place to place making sure you stay on the bottom of the seniority list?

 

[rjacobs]

Hey motc, I was a mesa pilot and chose to make a stand by walking out because I know what a bottom feeder is and you can't fix it by union bullsit the only way is to kill it by voting with your feet. I know I've taken a stand, don't be dick.

So you went from one bottom feeder(Mesa) to another bottom feeder(TSA). If you had truly been voting with your feet to make the industry better you would have gone a more respectable airline like XJT, ASA, or Comair. All of those airlines have done something in the past 10 or so years to better the profession, even if they got beat down in the process. XJT has a contract regarded as possibly the best in the regionals and arguably better than some legacy contracts in certain areas(except for pay and its not bad), ASA refused to sign a ******************** contract and took a beating for 5 years, Comair actually had the balls(and a democratic president) to strike.

 

[airjackson]

All of those airlines have done something in the past 10 or so years to better the professionquote]

...like the TSA pilots not voting in a crap agreement with a morally-bankrupt management, just to get "shiny new jets" for sub-standard pay. Is that not bettering the profession???

 

[rjacobs]

All of those airlines have done something in the past 10 or so years to better the profession

...like the TSA pilots not voting in a crap agreement with a morally-bankrupt management, just to get "shiny new jets" for sub-standard pay. Is that not bettering the profession???

It did better the profession, although in the grand scheme of things, seems to have changed nothing, but ********************ing the TSA pilot group even more. TSA, as a company, is a bottom feeder though. I flew at TSA, I lost my job as a direct result of blowjets. I think I know how that situation impacted the pilot group. Ya know where a lot of those people who voted no are at? Jet Blue and SkyWest, two of the largest non-union carriers in the industry. Ironic isnt it.

 

[motch]

Actually, not many who voted NO went to SkyWest as those who did leave for SW were mostly newhires under a year. Not eligble to vote! But yes, others did go to JB and from what I hear, many are trying or at least pro union over there.

As far as making a change by walking out.. you make a change by fighting within, not walking over to the next 'bottom feeder', casue the problem will just follow you to your next job.

Comair set the standard back in 2000. Then MESA dropped the ball and started the downward trend that GoJet/ TSAH followed. Now it has affected everyone within the industry. Mesa/Freedom underbidding is what has caused pain at Comair, even though Mesa/Freedom was and is a third rate airline. But the damage is done..

TSA pilots will always be able to say they held the line...

motch
voted NO and would still do it again

 

[airjackson]

It did better the profession, although in the grand scheme of things, seems to have changed nothing, but ********************ing the TSA pilot group even more. TSA, as a company, is a bottom feeder though. I flew at TSA, I lost my job as a direct result of blowjets. I think I know how that situation impacted the pilot group. Ya know where a lot of those people who voted no are at? Jet Blue and SkyWest, two of the largest non-union carriers in the industry. Ironic isnt it.

I think I know how that situation impacted the pilot group as well. I was there also. I don't know how accurate your facts are re: JB and SKW as I have friends who have moved on from TSA to just about every airline out there. The decision to tell Hulas and company to pound curry may have indeed screwed the TSA pilots in the long run, although that is a matter of interpretation. It did not, however, screw everyone else in this profession. I am sure of that.


I have since left the airlines for the corporate/frac world. The whole airline industry is one big bottom-feeder if you ask me. It pains me to say that as I was one of those who dreamed of making the airlines a career. It is not a career. It is mental, professional and family suicide.

I'll never look back, but I am proud to have been a Waterskier and stood in line with a great group of pilots who told management and Gojet to piss off. I will never forget. I check the interview boards weekly for Gojet pilots. I will never forget.

 

[Tarzan]

I'll never look back, but I am proud to have been a Waterskier and stood in line with a great group of pilots who told management and Gojet to piss off. I will never forget. I check the interview boards weekly for Gojet pilots. I will never forget.

Ahhh! TSA..... A great place to be from.

Not many guys from TSA will forget what happened there. Go Jet pilots managed to make a few eneimies for life.

 

[AAPilot]

does ae or chq get the tsa flying out of stl? lets face it tsa and uncle huli is the ultimate p.o.s. operation ever in our era!

 

[Salukipilot4590]

does ae or chq get the tsa flying out of stl? lets face it tsa and uncle huli is the ultimate p.o.s. operation ever in our era!

Well I for one have pride in my work along with my bros here at TSA. Just another AA kiddie happy to see pilots who were already mistreated out on the street. YAY for you homes!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

"Frank was right"
Frank really was right!
PBR

 

[CX880]

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I'll never look back, but I am proud to have been a Waterskier and stood in line with a great group of pilots who told management and Gojet to piss off. I will never forget. I check the interview boards weekly for Gojet pilots. I will never forget.

Those original guys were **************************************** for going to GJ, it wasn't like the crossed any picket line but you just don't desert your team. However you can't view the rest of the 90% of the street pilot group the same way. Including the guys that signed on after GJ became union. They're out there no different than any other who walks into any other regional.

 

[CX880]

Voting with your feet would have been to never walk into Mesa in the first place.

No ******************** but I did walk for the bettering of your ass and others. So STFU

A union won't work for you because you're an idiot who thinks you can't kill something by voting it.

They've had since the begging of time to do something. And they never will unless JO gets the boot.

What are you going to do keep walking form place to place making sure you stay on the bottom of the seniority list?

No just Mesa because there's nothing worse, yes TSA is better my qol went up.

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[PBRstreetgang]

Those original guys were **************************************** for going to GJ, it wasn't like the crossed any picket line but you just don't desert your team. However you can't view the rest of the 90% of the street pilot group the same way. Including the guys that signed on after GJ became union. They're out there no different than any other who walks into any other regional.

You keep telling yourself that, and at some point you will finally become aware, just to how big a dooshbag you really are!
Eat excrement and die
PBR

 

[CX880]

You keep telling yourself that, and at some point you will finally become aware, just to how big a dooshbag you really are!
Eat excrement and die
PBR

You're one of those kids still learning to fly trolling around these sites trying to make yourself look cool huh? PBR, get off the internet your mother needs to make a phone call ***********************************.

 

[TrevorW]

Good luck to all of the TSA, Comair, Republic, Air Wisconsin, Eagle, and everyone else who is getting furloughed. Hopefully the downward trend of oil prices continues and the furloughs decrease.

 

[AAPilot]

Well I for one have pride in my work along with my bros here at TSA. Just another AA kiddie happy to see pilots who were already mistreated out on the street. YAY for you homes!

SICU, In case you didnt notice I did my time at TSA, ie j32 j41 atr and emb, instuctor pilot etc, I was lucky enough to get out at the right time..great guys, terrible company. I have a job for now, but to be honest I have had it and am resigning aa effective next month, this industry is in ruins, and there are more important things in life than this industry..life, wife, kids, god, good luck to you

 

[Salukipilot4590]

SICU, In case you didnt notice I did my time at TSA, ie j32 j41 atr and emb, instuctor pilot etc, I was lucky enough to get out at the right time..great guys, terrible company. I have a job for now, but to be honest I have had it and am resigning aa effective next month, this industry is in ruins, and there are more important things in life than this industry..life, wife, kids, god, good luck to you

Man I've been sticking my foot in my mouth all week. I totally didnt put 43 and 7 together by looking at your AC. I'm just a bit edgy from the whole not having a job thing... Good luck to you man!

 

[EHE2]

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[EHE2]

OMG...really...does it really matter anymore? Alot of people are getting hosed...again (I lived through 2006). It sucks trust me, the downgrades are actually to october of 2005. But all this bs mud slinging is not getting any one anywhere. (Just to clairify to all the retards I am a TSA pilot).

Here is the break down TSA=0 GoJet=10. WE FREAKING LOST! No one's fault in particular (or everyone's if you want to go that way)...hell some people would blame Bush. Time to move on. Trust me as an orginal waterskiier it hurts...and is against all morals.

But, this is as bad / gay as the TWA flight attendants fighting over the 1986 hires (scabs hired by Ichan if you son't know) in 2001 when all of TWA was going to be furloughed and the company dismanteled.

We need to focus here...we need something more than name calling and passing the blame. We need a F#$%ing soultion to this mess or to STFU and take MGT BS.

The union is only as strong as it's members...and we are nothing but appethetic...(my self included). So like America we need to grow a pair...or just be a bunch of freaking pansies. It is not up to me to decide.

 

[nwa_contrails]

Back to the original point of this thread:

Early news from the schoolhouse is they're canceling 10 of the Aug 31 furloughs and 7 of the downgrades...it's a start I guess?

 

[corsair_d79]

Probabaly because people are leaving for better places. I've decided to quit before I'm furloughed or transfered to IAD or ORD, that & i'm sick of the BS. I've got a lot of respect for the guys who've been putting up with TSA for years, i just don't have the patience for managment BS and abuse. To all the waterskiers out there who are going to stick it out good luck. And no I'm NOT going to the dark side other wise known as go-jet