Trans States downgrades and furloughs - Again...

[Evansaero]

Let's not call each other names. All I am saying is that the pilots and the mec should have been smarter then to put up a fight with repeated NOs. Yes and they should have worked out the deal later, Hulas knew he wasn't going to cut it with 50 seat pay on CRJ7s. Look at current contracts, no one flys 70 seaters for 50 seat pay. If you were a sweatshop owner in INDIA, would you care if your employees votes yes or no on a matter that would further increased your capital and the company?

No, the fact is that all the BS with alpa was a formality, Hulas was going to form it anyways either with the help of the pilots or with ought. A yes vote would have been better for the company as you can see what has happened the last few years and especially now.

Not only has GJ become what seems like a better operation but they have even got better pay and a contract. And are adding to their fleet.

Why did you come to TSA?

How would you know if gojet had a better ops?

Did you go over to gojet?

 

[CX880]

Why did you come to TSA?

It was the place to get quick Jet PIC

How would you know if gojet had a better ops?

They're not furloughing.

Did you go over to gojet?

No

post is too short

 

[Evansaero]

Just because a 70 seat company is not furloughing and a 50 seat company is furloughing does not equate to a better ops.

50 seats are out of favor...

Sorry that you are furloughed. Its only going to get worse and to blame this pilot group is very short sighted.

Gojets contract is no better than our contact that dates back to Aug 2000

Gojets 50 seat pay rate is $2 an hour less than what I make now.
And I have not seen a raise in 2 years

 

[CX880]

Gojets 50 seat pay rate is $2 an hour less

Huh? Every time you say 50 seats for GJ you sound like you have no idea what you're talking about. And I'm not blaming any pilot group for my furlough.

 

[Evansaero]

Huh? Every time you say 50 seats for GJ you sound like you have no idea what you're talking about. And I'm not blaming any pilot group for my furlough.

I'm pretty sure you have not a Fing clue as to what you are talking about.

GJ HAS A 50 SEAT PAY RATES....

LETTER OF AGREEMENT
between
GOJET AIRLINES LLC
and
THE PILOTS
in the service of
GOJET AIRLINES LLC
as represented by
THE INTERNATIONAL BROTHERHOOD OF TEAMSTERS, AIRLINE DIVISION
________________________________________________________________________
JET AIRCRAFT WITH FEWER THAN 55 PASSENGER SEATS
________________________________________________________________________
This Letter of Agreement is made and entered into in accordance with the
provisions of Title II of the Railway Labor Act, as amended, by and between GOJET
AIRLINES LLC (the “Company”) and the PILOTS in the service of GOJET AIRLINES
LLC. as represented by the INTERNATIONAL BROHERHOOD OF TEAMSTERS,
AIRLINE DIVISION (the “Union”).
WHEREAS the Company does not currently operate jet aircraft with fewer than
55 passenger seats but may some day do so;
NOW THEREFORE, the Company and the Union have agreed as follows:
In the event the Company places into revenue service jet aircraft with fewer than
55 passenger seats, the hourly rates applicable to such aircraft will be as follows:
Captain
LONGEVITY DOS DOS+1 DOS+2 DOS+3 DOS+4 DOS + 5
1st year $ 55.05 $55.88 $56.71 $57.56 $58.43 $59.30
2nd year $ 56.82 $57.67 $58.54 $59.42 $60.31 $61.21
3rd year $ 58.57 $59.45 $60.34 $61.25 $62.16 $63.10
4th year $ 60.33 $61.23 $62.15 $63.09 $64.03 $64.99
5th year $ 62.08 $63.01 $63.96 $64.92 $65.89 $66.88
6th year $ 63.84 $64.80 $65.77 $66.76 $67.76 $68.77
7th year $ 65.81 $66.80 $67.80 $68.82 $69.85 $70.90
8th year $ 68.00 $69.02 $70.06 $71.11 $72.17 $73.26
9th year $ 70.02 $71.07 $72.14 $73.22 $74.32 $75.43
10th year $ 72.19 $73.27 $74.37 $75.49 $76.62 $77.77
11th year $ 74.17 $75.28 $76.41 $77.56 $78.72 $79.90
90
12th year $ 76.49 $77.64 $78.80 $79.98 $81.18 $82.40
13th year $ 78.72 $79.90 $81.10 $82.32 $83.55 $84.80
14th year $ 81.19 $82.41 $83.64 $84.90 $86.17 $87.46
15th year $ 81.54 $82.76 $84.00 $85.26 $86.54 $87.84
First Officer
LONGEVITY DOS DOS+1 DOS+2 DOS+3 DOS+4 DOS + 5
1st year $23.00 $23.35 $23.70 $24.05 $24.41 $24.78
2nd year $30.00 $30.45 $30.91 $31.37 $31.84 $32.32
3rd year $34.00 $34.51 $35.03 $35.55 $36.09 $36.63
4th year $35.00 $35.53 $36.06 $36.60 $37.15 $37.70
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties have signed this Letter of Agreement this
____ day of _____, 2007.
FOR THE INTERNATIONAL FOR GOJET AIRLINES, LLC
BROTHERHOOD OF TEAMSTERS
Donald Treichler Daniel Reed
Director, Airline Division Director of Operations
Daniel Heumann
President
Teamsters Local No. 618
Charles Dannels
Negotiating Committee Member
Chad Flolo
Negotiating Committee Member
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[CX880]

Evansaero you are an idiot. That's if Gojet decides to operate fewer than 55 seats. Their current pay rate is not what you have above look at APC.com for current pay rates smart one. Good try though. Let your hate out.

If gojet has 50 seat payscales then I wonder what the other CRJ7/9 operators have since they are almost identical plus or minus a dollar............ You might be on to something.../....

 

[Evansaero]

Evansaero you are an idiot. That's if Gojet decides to operate fewer than 55 seats. Their current pay rate is not what you have above look at APC.com for current pay rates smart one. Good try though. Let your hate out.

If gojet has 50 seat payscales then I wonder what the other CRJ7/9 operators have since they are almost identical plus or minus a dollar............ You might be on to something.../....

So are you 1 of the 31 guys that applied to gojets after you got furloughed?

Hmmm... So their 50 seat pay rate is not current? It came from there current contract.

What is APC.COM? I thought you where going to show me a new trick

 

[CX880]

Hmmm... So their 50 seat pay rate is not current? It came from there current contract.

Airline PILOT central .com

DUDE!!!~! ARE YOU FOR REAL? GOJet doesn't fly 50 seaters.!!!!!! The 50 seat pay in their contract is ONLY if they flew 50 seater which they don't.

 

[Evansaero]

If gojet has 50 seat payscales then I wonder what the other CRJ7/9 operators have since they are almost identical plus or minus a dollar............ You might be on to something.../....

Almost Identical... ahhh right

Skywest

Republic

Comair

 

[CX880]

Almost Identical... ahhh right

Skywest

Republic

Comair

Yea Skywest wich combiunes 90 seats with 70 seats. 5th year CA at Skywest flying the CRJ7 AND CRJ9 makes 1 dollar more than a GOjet captain.........

Try MESA/AE/PSA/MESABA(CRJ9) and the rest.

 

[Evansaero]

DUDE!!!~! ARE YOU FOR REAL? GOJet doesn't fly 50 seaters.!!!!!! The 50 seat pay in their contract is ONLY if they flew 50 seater which they don't.

I never stated they flew 50 seat jets.

What I said for you (slow people) is that they have a pay rate.

You never answered my question. Did you apply to gojet?

 

[CX880]

I never stated they flew 50 seat jets.

What I said for you (slow people) is that they have a pay rate.

Don't try to justify your stupidity.... Otherwise why would you bring up the 50 seat rates which are meaningless.

 

[Evansaero]

why would you bring up the 50 seat rates which are meaningless.

meaningless... Do you really believe that?

How do you figure we try and negotiate a new pay rate (contract) when gojet pilots have under cut TSA pilots in the 50 seat market.

Did you apply to gojets when you got furloughed?

 

[CX880]

meaningless... Do you really believe that?

How do you figure we try and negotiate a new pay rate (contract) when gojet pilots have under cut TSA pilots in the 50 seat market.

Did you apply to gojets when you got furloughed?

Oh brother, never heard this one before. Gojet is the least of your problems. TSA is a bottom feeder and it will always remain that way that's not the fault of any other airline or pilot group. Don't be shocked if your pay will remain on par with other bottom feeders. If you don't like it get another job like many of us did by saying F U to JohnnyO and walked out of MESA in 07. Skywest, Expjett, and Horizon for example have high pay or at least by a few dollars more because managment want happy customers/workers and they know that they're not bottom feeders. Do you think UPS and FEDEX pilots got that big raise a few years ago because the UNION did a good job?? Just because gj has some obscure pay in the bottom of the contract that doesn't even apply since they don't and will never fly 50 seats doesn't mean all hope is lost for TSA. Anything to blame others I guess.....

 

[Evansaero]

Oh brother, never heard this one before. Gojet is the least of your problems. TSA is a bottom feeder and it will always remain that way that's not the fault of any other airline or pilot group. Don't be shocked if your pay will remain on par with other bottom feeders. If you don't like it get another job like many of us did by saying F U to JohnnyO and walked out of MESA in 07. Skywest, Expjett, and Horizon for example have high pay or at least by a few dollars more because managment want happy customers/workers and they know that they're not bottom feeders. Do you think UPS and FEDEX pilots got that big raise a few years ago because the UNION did a good job?? Just because gj has some obscure pay in the bottom of the contract that doesn't even apply since they don't and will never fly 50 seats doesn't mean all hope is lost for TSA. Anything to blame others I guess.....

4/06 you had 70 TT and 2 years later you know it all.

You have a lot to learn.

 

[CX880]

4/06 you had 70 TT and 2 years later you know it all.

You have a lot to learn.

Yea right, good luck let me know if you want to trade jobs. Unemployment is great, I guess I have a lot to learn.

 

[Evansaero]

Yea right, good luck let me know if you want to trade jobs. Unemployment is great, I guess I have a lot to learn.

I'm sure you'll pick yourself right up when gojet calls for that interview

 

[rtmcfi]

Yea right, good luck let me know if you want to trade jobs. Unemployment is great, I guess I have a lot to learn.

You do have a lot to learn. Perhaps you should consider flight instructing for a while.

 

[bigjukka]

This has got to be a put-on. I don't think even a Gateway pilot is as retarded as this. A-ron, are you having a conversation with your alter-ego??

C'mon

If it's real, well, I even feel bad for Pete P.

 

[Flyerdan]

I remember we had a go-jet pilot in our newhire class. When we did our intro about were we were from and what equitment we had flown. One guy (total "tool") stood up and said he flew for TSA airlines. The instructor asked what equitment. the "tool" said the CRJ-700!! the best part is the instructor stood up through down his pen and said lets get this straight you flew for GO-JET not TSA!!! is that right!! the "tool" said yes sir and sat down. There were 4 TSA pilots in that class also.. They were mad!!

Man this is old news. If I was a go-jet pilot I think I would definitely have to beat the crap out of anyone who treated me like that. Those people are just trying to work just like everyone else. I swear, sometimes I think airline union pilots are just gang bangers that learned to fly.